Don't Call Us 'Indons'
by Farah 'Fairy' Mahdzan (6-Mar-2005) | Readers Say

"Why do you Malaysians call us 'Indons?'"

A young woman named Lisa once asked me. There was a deafening silence that followed; pressure mounted as 15 more pairs of Indonesian eyes and ears fixated on me for my rhetoric answer. Ironically, this is not the first time I had been asked this nagging question.

I paused for a minute before mustering my thoughts together to convey them as cohesively as I could. I started explaining to my Indonesian friends in the room that day that the term 'Indon' is used by countless Malaysians to refer to Indonesians partly because it is shorter to say 'Indon' than it is to say 'Indonesian' or 'Indonesia.' In addition, the local media uses the word liberally in news headlines; this alone is a strong contributing factor to the perpetuation of the word. As far as I knew, we do not intentionally mean any type of discrimination or offense by the usage of the word.

In reality however, most educated Indonesians would regard the term 'Indon' as degrading and insulting. 'Indon' has been considered by some to be as racist of a term as 'Chokin' (referring to Indonesian Chinese) or the very crude 'nigger' (African-Americans). The worse part is we as Malaysians are not always aware that the term 'Indon' reeks of derogatory. This, unfortunately for us, translates as ignorance.

So why would Indonesians react so unfavorably about a word that is merely a truncation of the original word? If you can offhandedly call Malaysians "Malays", or Australians as "Aussies," couldn't you call an Indonesian "Indon?" To reach a fair answer, it is perhaps helpful to examine the Indonesian stereotypes of which we are accustomed to.

In countries like Malaysia and Singapore, we have developed this contrived view that most Indonesian workers who enter our borders are coming in to work in blue-collared fields. To a certain degree this is true; most of today's house help and construction workers are made up of people from our neighboring country. As such we have always, for some unfathomable reason, somehow referred to this group of hardworking folks as "Indons."

In relation to this, our perception of "Indons" is further mutilated when our media highlights social ills conducted by some of these immigrant workers, splashing such titles across the newspapers as "Indon woman jailed for abducting baby" (The Star, 3 November 2004, p.6) and "Indon man charged with murder of good Samaritan" (The Star, 25 July 2004, p.1).

We can to a certain extent agree that the word "Indon" is synonymous with the Indonesians who are from the lower rungs of the social ladder. Therefore to be referred to as "Indons" is not only grammatically incorrect as no such word exists in any dictionary; it is also offensive because it is an implication of lower social, economical and educational statuses.

Indonesian writer Nasrullah Ali-Fauzi had once addressed the 'Indon' word usage issue in his article "Perkataan 'Indon'" which was published in newspapers in Malaysia and Indonesia. Apart from his analysis of the subject which was very similar to my views, Nasrul had highlighted the Kuala Lumpur Indonesian Embassy's urge to all Malaysian media to eliminate the usage of 'Indon.' Despite how trivial this 'Indon' concern sounds, the defiance against it is very real, and from higher authority no less.

But there is one other related issue I needed to have addressed; if Indonesian maids and brick layers are referred to as "Indons" in our newspapers and social circles, how are the white-collared and political Indonesians faring?

To help me answer this question, I started collecting Malaysian newspaper clippings of articles that had the word 'Indon' in the title, just to see how far we had gone in utilizing this word that so many of our Indonesian friends are miffed in hearing us use.

It is perhaps to no surprise that 'Indon' is also copiously used to describe the country's entertainers, politicians and businesses in our newspapers. Forget about social status; it is what we universally term Indonesians as!

There is plenty more where this came from!

I can understand how using the whole word 'Indonesia' might be space-consuming for some headlines. Despite the questionable headlines however, the content of the articles use the proper noun 'Indonesia' in its finer details.

To remedy the 'Indon' syndrome in news writing, Indonesian Singapore-resident Indradi Soemardjan has suggested to me that the proper abbreviation of WNI ('Warga Negara Indonesia' or Indonesian citizen) be used in referring to Indonesians.

Unfortunately such an abbreviation will not translate well in Malaysia, especially in English media. In addition we are not avid users of abbreviations like the Indonesians. The quick and dirty way out to short and concise news headlines about Indonesians remain using the cringe-worthy word 'Indon.' Both English and Malay media are perpetrators of this abuse.

To drive the point of this article home, I for one wouldn't be so jolly if non-Malaysians referred to me as a 'Mal' (just to give you an extreme example of a terribly-truncated fragment from 'Malaysia').

Whether or not you agree that 'Indon' is an objectionable term to use, it does not matter. The lesson that we need to learn is to dispose all assumptions that what we say or do will not offend others. Just because it is common practice or appears printed in black ink on our newspapers does not make it right. If a terminology is offensive to others, even if only one or two people voice their concerns, then we must cease to use it, especially in verbal communication.

Let us start by properly calling Indonesians 'Indonesians.'

Readers' Comments: 340 entries

#337	Fairy	11-Sep-2009, 08:14 MYT
WEW: Artikel ini khusus tentang penggunaan perkataan 'Indon' di Malaysia, jadi sebab itulah saya hanya tampilkan keratan akhbar dari Malaysia yang lebih mudah untuk saya dapati.

#335	Fairy	4-Sep-2009, 07:30 MYT
cglyn: Your comments are one of the sanest ones I've seen in a while, terima kasih! Well said. Can you believe the fiasco that's going on with the tarian pendet issue? Giler. Apakah..! And have any of you read arezeo's blog lately? That guy so kelakar lah, I couldn't help laughing in amusement at some of his latest posts. Some may not agree with his opinions, but that guy has balls.

#334	cglyn	2-Sep-2009, 11:46 MYT
1) Kalau anda boleh membuktikan bahawa kata "Indon" mempunyai maksud yang negatif, kami akan segera hentikan penggunaannya. 2) arezeo sekadar menjawab fitnah yang disebarkan oleh media kalian macam sctv tu. 3) perkataan "malingsia" tidak terkesan di hati kami rakyat malaysia kerana kami tidak menggambarkan kata penghinaan yang direka oleh warga indon itu.

#333	lalasachii	1-Jul-2009, 12:05 MYT
thanks 4 the nice post, Fairy yang jelas, orang2 Malaysia gak bisa seenaknya gitu dong menyingkat nama orang. apa susahnya bilang WNI (Warga Negara Indonesia)? malah lebih singkat. lo gak suka kan terus-terusan dipanggil Maling cuman karena orang Indonesia kebiasaan manggil lo kayak gitu? kita juga sama! gak suka dipanggil Indon, dan gak mau dipanggil Indon karena orang Malaysia kebiasaan manggil lo begitu! sekian

#332	freakperzon - Website	23-Jun-2009, 20:57 MYT
first of all, thank u so much fairy with the nice article. i really appreciate that u wrote it according to the fact and not only with one point of view, just like some ppl did. .. hmm, i'm from indonesia. what i wanna tell u guys is that we indonesians don't like to be called indons, just like malaysians who don't like to be called malingsias or whatever it is. maybe it's because some ppl accented on the world 'indon' when insulting indonesias, well that's just my opinion. and i think it's not really fair to compare 'indon', 'malay', 'aussie', because malaysians and australians think those are fine, but not for indonesians. i bet, if malaysia or other countries claimed another nick to call them, other ppl will accept it. i understand that not all malaysians can stop using that nick, cause there are a lot of ppl which make it harder to control. but i also want ur patience in facing the i-know-it's-a-bad-nick, malingsia, cause we have almost 10 times more population than there and it will be hell a lot harder to control. i think that's all from me. and last, please don't make more things like Link please? lol. may peace be with us!

#328	tropicalynx	24-Dec-2008, 00:24 MYT
Phew, more than 20 comments and now it is almost 2009 already!!! Saya nyumbang opini saja ya. Biasanya banyak orang Indonesia yang cukup maklum dengan kebiasaan menyingkat kata "Indonesia" menjadi "Indon" ini. Tapi hanya jika si pengucap tersebut tidak menggunakannya untuk menyindir atau hala2 negatif lainnya. Mungkin karena di Malaysia sudah terlalu sering kata itu digunakan untuk merujuk ke hal2 negatif, jadi bisanya kami ini risih mendengarnya (jika diucapkan oleh orang Malaysia), tapi masih lebih mau maklum apabila orang yg berkata itu bukan orang Malaysia. But after years in Singapore, thanks god I never been called Indon, even by Malay Singaporean.

#327	shasha yusuf - Website	29-Nov-2008, 18:29 MYT
I was so impressed with this article ! Reminds me of some of my friends dat used to call those Indonesian's as Indon. Me myself didnt like to refer them with that kind of term cos i think it sounds jerk & kinda hurts if they hear about it. My bf is an Indonesian and from him, i learnt so many things about Indonesia and i think most of the cultures in Indonesia & Malaysia are almost the same. So, i'm begging to al Msian, stop calling those Indonesian as Indon.. Respect is the best policy. Peace

#325	aditya	6-Nov-2008, 12:47 MYT
INDON ?? kenapa mereka semua yang notabene bukan orang kita menyebutnya kita orang INDON. apakah mereka saat sekolah dasar tidak diajarkan ya cara membaca yang baik dan benar. baik dalam menyebut nama suatu negara ataupun bangsa?

#324	rigs	11-Sep-2008, 15:30 MYT
Cirebon (post#312): regarding the term "andonesy", itu kurang lebih cara pengucapan untuk "Indonesie" (bahasa perancis untuk Indonesia). Mungkin karena letaknya di Afrika, dan agak banyak daerah di Afrika yang pernah jadi koloni Perancis, Mesir lebih terpengaruh bahasa perancis dibanding bahasa inggris.

#321	Fairy - Website	15-Jun-2008, 15:13 MYT
AHAKS: I wouldn't worry too much about arezeo. I think he's entitled to his own opinions, if he's hell bent on expressing them while quickly making enemies, then it's his prerogative. We can choose to ignore him. Why fan the flames. EF: I wouldn't be so quick to call him gay. Gay folks don't resort to such lowly forms of expression. Besides that's a really derogatory way to use the term gay. Nutcase would be more appropriate.

#320	Ef	14-Jun-2008, 13:50 MYT
ahaks, thanks for the arezeo info. I've checked it, and my impression the guy is real lunatic, ... and so gay

#319	ahaks	13-Jun-2008, 04:17 MYT
Fairy,if u aware,there is a malaysian blogger name arezeo,who loves to condemn anything about Indonesia,i feel bad about it..May be u can view his blog at arezeo.blogspot.com ..I am Malaysian too but i dont like the way he treat Indonesia,previously he started to harassed Indonesian girls at LCCT KLIA,thats really cruel...Thats guy really mad

#318	Jebat	9-Apr-2008, 12:05 MYT
Aku rasa pasni mat Bangla pun marah mcm mat Indon... opps Indo...

#317	cirebonese - Website	28-Mar-2008, 16:33 MYT
to Fairy: Oh gitu yah.... kalo panggilan manja mu ke gw apaan Fai? to Potato: iya juga sih... taunya emang dari novel itu.... tapi pertama kali baca nya dah 2 tahun lalu, jadi ga baru lagi khan.... to Anne: eh... ini Anne Ahira beneran??? kumaha damang....? dulu sempet ngidolain kamu juga lho, jaman2x masih kuliah... tetep sukses deh...

#316	anne - Website	10-Mar-2008, 00:25 MYT
terima kasih.. nice post informasinya cukup mendalam

#315	potato	28-Feb-2008, 16:08 MYT
cierebonese, adakah awak ni tahu terminology andonesy di arab tu dari novel yang lagi in kat sekarang2 ni?? hix..hix..ix... betul kan?? cik fairy, awak dah baca belum novel hasil penulisan Habiburrahman El Shirazy satu ni..?? beliau merupakan novelis, sarjana Al-Azhar University Cairo.. novel ni lain dr yang lain la...best sgt2..jiwang2 ni x de laa..nama je ayat2 cinta.. hi..hi..hi sorry, jadi off to the topic

#314	Fairy	27-Feb-2008, 09:38 MYT
CIREBONESE: Well I wouldn't say Malaysians secara habitual suka memendekkan nama negara orang. Let's just say bahawa "Indon" itu adalah nama manja kita untuk Indonesia.

#313	cirebonese - Website	26-Feb-2008, 10:40 MYT
Memang betul Fairy, kata "Indon" memang terdaftar di Merriem-Webster. Tapi jika kita klik link ensiklopedi britannica di bawahnya, penggunaan Indon sebagai singkatan ga konsisten sama sekali. Kadang dalam satu artikel, misalnya di "Ragunan Zoological Gardens" kata Indon dan Indonesia muncul bersamaan. Jadi hanya dengan menghemat 4 huruf, mereka sudah merubah nama negara. Mungkin juga alasannya karena dengan menulis Indon, semua orang di dunia bisa menebak bahwa itu adalah singkatan dari Indonesia..... hmm... maybe yes maybe not.... Tapi sudahlah, memang mungkin budaya teman2x dari Malaysia menyingkat nama negara..... Termasuk menyebut negaranya M'sia. Oh ya, kalo teman2x baca novel Kang Abik yg judulnya "Ayat Ayat Cinta", di situ ditulis panggilan orang Arab Mesir kepada orang Indonesia sebagai "Andonesy"..... mungkin kalo dia lagi males manggilnya jadi Andon kali yah....

#312	batikrendangklung	25-Feb-2008, 14:54 MYT
wel wel uLtraM4n, I think what most Indonesian complaining about is not the Merriam-Webster's dictionary(I don't think that the Malaysian called us Indon after they red the Merriam-Webster's-i n fact I think that not to many Malaysian know the Merriam-Webster's dictionary), what most of Indonesian complain is "the meaning behind the words", since it has became so negative lately. **Indonesia Cinta Malaysia**

#311	Fairy	25-Feb-2008, 09:31 MYT
Well, well, whaddaya know? "Indon" is officially categorized as an entry in Merriam-Webster's dictionary and tagged as an abbreviation. With all due respect to my Indonesian friends and readers, this is one definition that I simply cannot contest against. "Indon" serves nothing more than an abbreviation, at least for most people in Malaysia.

#308	batikrendangklung	21-Feb-2008, 16:22 MYT
Hi Fairy, sekedar info saja adidas mengeluarkan produk terbaru edisi Materials of the World” Collection untuk jaket,topi dan sepatu dgn motif batik, bahan yg digunakannya pun asli dari Indonesia, yang menarik walaupun hak paten sudah menjadi milik Malaysia adidas tetap meyebutkan bahwa produk batik yang mereka produksi adalah meterial dari indonesia " Here is the Indonesia pack from the Adidas Materials of the World series. The Indonesia series includes two Metro Attitude Hi's, a tracksuit and a cap. Inspired by the very act of creating a Batik-Made fabric which has a strong symbolic meaning for the Javanese. It is said that each time the Batik craftsman executes a particular intricate pattern the design is not only fixed to the cloth, but the meaning of the design is engraved ever more deeply in the soul of the Artisan. This highly skilled process, involving complicated dyeing and dye-resist processes, is regarded highly by many Indonesians as one of the six Priyayi or "High Arts". saya sudah coba posting imagenya di blog ini tapi kok tidak bisa ya....mungkin fairy bisa bantu ** Indonesia Cinta Malaysia**

#307	Batikrendangklung	20-Feb-2008, 18:23 MYT
Sorry Fairy, saya lupa masukan nama untuk posting sebelumnya, maklum masih pemula

#306	potato	19-Feb-2008, 17:03 MYT
pakdin, adakah awak ni salah sorang peminat britney spears ke? xixixixix btw, democrazy tu ranc. baru kat metro tv la..

#305	PakDin	18-Feb-2008, 11:45 MYT
viva demokasi!!! asal jangan demo crazy. ooops I did it again!

#303	Fairy	16-Feb-2008, 22:45 MYT
SUPERGAY: Lagi datang gila apa datang bulan? batikrendangklung: Your POV is very interesting.

#302	SuperGay	15-Feb-2008, 22:21 MYT
The name of Indonesia was actually a greek and found by a dutchman. Indo ( India ) Nesos ( Islands ) which means The Islands of India.Ones just cant erase that second N from our country's name coz somehow it'll make the word has a completely new meaning. Let's give it a try. Erase that second N --- Indo Esia ( Meaning, INDO = INDIA and ESIA = ONE OF BAKRIE's TELECOM PRODUCTs ). See !! ( Pls dont call me crazy ) F.Y.I ESIA is one of Indonesia's Telecom Brand by Bakrie Telecom. Fay : Sorry Fay post gw rada2 gak nyambung, lagi dateng gila kayaknya.

#301	batikrendangklung	15-Feb-2008, 12:09 MYT
Malaysia sekarang adalah Indonesia Zaman orde baru, tidak ada kebesan berekspresi (dilarang demontrasi), kebebasn pers (tidak boleh mengungkap keburukan-keburukan yang dilakukan bangsa Malaysia sendiri), yg selalu disiarkan adalah kejayaannya saja. Undang-undang ISA sama seperti undang-undang subversif di Indonesia yg kini sudah di hapus karena kontra dengan demokarsi, so my Indonesia friend's saya rasa tidak sepantasnya kita kita terprovokosai dengan istilah2 yang disampaikan teman-teman Malaysia, serta marah apabila dibandingkan dengan kemajuan-kemajuan yang telah di capai oleh Malaysia, ingat kita sudah lama melewati masa itu, Zaman orde baru Indonesia jauh lebih berjaya dari Malaysia namun karena hanya fokus ke pembanguan dan ekonomi kita melupakan demokrasi, itupun yg sedang dialami Malaysia saat ini. sekarang Indonesia harus memulainya lagi...sulit memang tapi kita pasti bisa...ingat Indonesia adalah salah satu dari begitu banyak negara di dunia yang merebut kemerdekaannya, jadi mari kita rapatkan barisan

#300	cirebonese - Website	13-Feb-2008, 20:30 MYT
Whoa, hello my dear Ultraman, long time no see.... You're my hero when I was a child.... err... maybe after Megaloman and Masked Knight Rider.... Gini bung Ultra, bayangkanlah.... Indonesia sangat luas (setara Eropa atau AS) dengan berpuluh ribu pulau beratus suku beratus bahasa dan budaya..... Untuk bisa membuatnya bersatu bukanlah usaha yg gampang lho.... Dan pendahulu kami dulu berjuang susah payah untuk itu...... Ini keajaiban!!! Prediksi "om puteh" dulu, Indonesia ga bakal lama jadi negara, pasti bakalan kaya' Yugoslavia sekarang.... Dan dengan status "the most populous .... nation" banyak pihak yg tidak ingin negeri kami jadi kuat.... tapi sudahlah itu juga tantangan.... Negeri ini sudah banyak melewati sisi getir dan sekarang sedang merangkak untuk bisa berdiri dan berusaha untuk berlari..... En jangan cuma liat Jakarta..... it's history..... ke depannya kota2x lain terus berbenah.... silahkan lihat 20 tahun lagi.... Anyway, saya ga suka ke Dolly bung Ultra.... kita ke Genting aja yuk...... Roll the dice babe..... and bring me martini..... ups malaysian moslem not allowed..... only Indonesian moslem, Turkey moslem .... and maybe the Saudi's..... as long as you give devisa to us that's not a problem.... (Just a Joke ) to Pakdin: akur aja PakDin.... maaf ye kalo ade sale2x kate.... to Fairy: we love drama... don't we? to Laung: betul bang..... harusnya kita tuker2xan kue imlek.... setuju??

#299	Fairy	12-Feb-2008, 09:50 MYT
LAUNG: A new year dawns, yet our hearts are still sore kayanya hehe. Tak berubah seperti adik-beradik bergaduh, we seem to thrive on controversy and drama.

#298	Laung	12-Feb-2008, 02:44 MYT
wah reply nya ultram4n... tahun baru sudah, muharam sudah, gong xi fa chai sudah, masih begaduh juga.. niat artikelnya kan baik. liat aja tuh kalimat terakhirnya.. eh maret ini artikelnya ultah ke-3. masih hot juga. hebat euy. wah submit reply mesti masukin kode uLtraM4n pulak, kekek.. next time I shall leave comment as teh botol .

#297	PakDin	11-Feb-2008, 13:44 MYT
Ungke,Cirebonese,Cik Bijaksana,pakdinsewo t. Terima kasih karena respon anda. saya tidak membela supir taksi Malaysia yang berantem dengan si Galuh itu. Kasus yang saya "sharing" di sini adalah "masuk kandang kambing ngembek, masuk kandang kerbau nguak" atau juga "mikul duwur mendem jero" ajah....menjunjung setinggi-tingginya tapi memendam sedalam-dalamnya. Kalau pun negara saya dilecehkan orang, saya tetap menjunjung nya tak perlu saya tunjukkan kepada supir taksi itu. saya pendam sedalam-dalamnya saja. betul juga kata pakdinsewot "apalah salahnya Galuh cerita pengalamannya" saya pula "apalah salahnya PakDin menceritakan pengalaman saya". kok ada yang sewot si Fairy ajah siarkan respon ku

#296	Fairy	9-Feb-2008, 15:38 MYT
uLtraM4n: I understand where you're coming from and your arguments and opinions may open the eyes of readers who are willing to take them with an open mind. Thanks for speaking from the heart and mind. Cik Bijaksana: Semua orang ada pendapat masing2, saya lebih suka kalau orang berbagi2 pandangan dengan cara yang sopan, tak kiralah kalau pandangan itu bercanggah dengan fikiran saya atau tidak. Jangan kasi pandangan dengan cara kampungan!

#294	Cik Bijaksana	6-Feb-2008, 11:33 MYT
Hi Fai, Saya yakin usia kamu lebih muda dari pada PakDin itu. Tapi cara berpikir kamu lebih dewasa dan jernih dari pada PakDin. Memang, usia atau pendidikan tak selalu menjamin seseorang dapat berpikir dan bersikap dewasa. Duuh...sok tau banget ya gue

#293	Fairy	5-Feb-2008, 09:28 MYT
UNGKE: Terima kasih! Happy holidays.

#292	PakDinSewot	4-Feb-2008, 21:19 MYT
Wah...makin rame aja nih Kalo PakDin selalu menjawab 'inggih, inggih, inggih' ke pak supir, berarti dia seorang yg underclass dong! Lagian kalo dipikir-pikir apa salahnya kalo Galuh ceritain pengalamannya disini. Kok PakDin yang sewot sih

#291	ungke	4-Feb-2008, 12:05 MYT
PakDin, you also have right to defense that taxi driver (Galuh’s case). I know not all Indonesian is like that taxi driver (your case) and not all Indonesians being raped, robbed, treated like animal, brutally beaten even killed by Malaysians in Malaysia. Maybe Galuh is not as well educated as you are until you are questioning her education level. Maybe Galuh and her friend are just unlucky women at the wrong place at the wrong time. As Fairy says it is just one incident but there could be many more unreported cases. That means there could be many unlucky Indonesians at the wrong place at the wrong time in Malaysia. Or Maybe there are no right places for Indonesians in Malaysia but surely I know there is someone very nice like a fairy in Malaysia and her name Farah Mahzan. Betul tak Cik Fairy Gong Xi Fa Cai!

#289	PakDin	31-Jan-2008, 10:57 MYT
Ok pada pandangan anda berbeda. Saya terima itu. Perbedaan yang saya akui adalah "approach" cara saya. Saya diam + senyum + iya + iya betul...sambari memuji-muji keagungan,kekuatan,k ehebatan kerajaan Majapahit wuah makin gengsi saja Pak Supir itu. ( it is just my kind of diplomacy) Saya tidak bertanya atau respon ya I am Malaysian do you have any problem with that? (saya orang Malay kenapa rupanya?) Who are you to say that as a nation we have nothing? (siapa kau enak aja bilang begitu?). Ok Mr Malon (saya coba menyebutnya kayak Marlon) ini yang membedakannya. Lagi pula saya hanya turis kelas menengah ke bawah. bukan attache "gengsi" saya rendah tidak setinggi Galuh maklum attache lah pulak. nantilah kalau ada waktu saya ke KBRI jalan Tun Razak KL (tempat main-mainku dulu itu waktu SIPENMARU) ketemu sama Ibu Galuh. biar ku tanya sendiri.

#287	PakDin	29-Jan-2008, 08:44 MYT
ya betul pandangan Malon dan Fai. Kenapa saya tidak diusir? karena saya memilih untuk tidak berdebat (confronted) dengannya. Saya orang Malaysia bangga itu bangunan Petronas ! kami punya yang tertinggi! jangan macam-macam kau pak supir bla bla. PASTI saya diusir dari taxi itu bah! to Fai he he PakDin debat dengan tuan rumah pula tak pa ke? sikap derebar /supir taksi itu memang siapa pun tidak dapat menerimanya. But if I still want to go to Ambaruk mall in yogja by that taxi I will use my wisdom. Saya tidak akan kontra dengan patriotisme pak supir itu. Betoi dak? saya milih untuk inggih,inggih,inggih (Javanese iya,iya,iya)

#286	Fairy	28-Jan-2008, 16:43 MYT
PAKDIN: I don't condone what that taxi driver did to Galuh. Educated or not, his behavior was totally unacceptable, and I don't see why being undereducated should warrant the driver rights to be rude. He obviously breached his responsibility to be an exemplary citizen and unofficial ambassador of Malaysia and I am just disgusted. I know it is just one incident (but there could be many more unreported cases), but it's enough to permanently carve a very unpleasant memory in Galuh's mind about her stay in Malaysia and she will no doubt carry this scar with her for the rest of her life. I empathize with Galuh, and I wouldn't be trying to find a similar case in Indonesia to match hers in a hurry. I just personally think it's better to look inward than outward sometimes. MALON, NITY: Thanks for your constructive comments.

#284	PakDin	24-Jan-2008, 15:01 MYT
hii Nity .you have right to defense Galuh. I did not say mine is the same. But it could be the same If I decided to write or publish my experience and saying this is what i got from Yogja,Indonesia? right Nity? Galuh is a diplomat. Well educated(from what she descibed her self) and that taxi driver is a taxi driver ( I am not trying under estimate the man) . A taxi driver in Yogja is a taxi driver does not represent the whole Indonesian. There will always be another good taxi driver in Yogja. also there are many other good taxi driver in KL.

#282	PakDin	18-Jan-2008, 15:26 MYT
I wonder why Galuh Pangestu a well educated person would like to debate her nationaliscism with a taxi Driver that I am so sure didn't finish his secondary school. I happens to me too in Jogya when a taxi driver told me that the early civilization in the world is around Borobudur. Malaysian you have nothing to be proud of even the tallest twin tower were built by Indonesia. My reply was "oh ya! good! you are so lucky to be Indonesian"

#277	ZaraAlamandaDaVincci	15-Jan-2008, 04:32 MYT
Kindly watch this youtube video Link Its regarding the dance fr Acheh province, known as Tari Saman, performed by Indonesian student in Multimedia University. But that is not my intention here, i just want all of you read those comments post by the Indonesian students in MMU, accusing Malaysian as thieves,calling names nasty words, and req to pattern the dance a.s.a.p worrying that Malaysia will steal their culture etc. They studying in Malaysia but among themselves cursing, bashing us everyday. Already check another video found quite similar comments. They living and study here in Malaysia, smile so sweet in front of us,at the same time cursing fiercely on the back. Do we need to trust them? If you doesnt believe it,try surf the site kaskus.us, click the Malaysian forum, check those comments, articles and posts made by Indonesian students in Malaysia, definitely you can feel what i feel right now. Anyhow, not all them like that, I have an Indonesian friend,saying 'Dont talk about politics,let those bad Indon and bad Malingsia fighting each other,we good Indonesian and good Malaysian must live peacefully, happy together...' He urged me to sing Berdua Lebih Baik song fr Ache Septriasa, anyway its quite seems like a theraphy session singing that song. Sometimes, i can feel the heat of this situation but fr now on stop fighting each other, dont even think of it,you need to calm down and let all those politicians do their job, we ordinary people must stop calling names,bashing each other whatsoever. Please be like Bunga C. Lestari and Ashraf Sinclair,they love each other...

#276	LieGanah	12-Jan-2008, 23:52 MYT
bravo indonesian fight for indo word Untuk pengetahuan umum, saya warganegara Malaysia. Terpanggil saya untuk berkongsi pandangan terhadap kiriman Galuh Pangestu Indraswari sebelumnya. Seperti yang kita semua maklum orang indonesia memang tak menyukai orang malaysia. Persoalan ini memang sadis untuk diolah lagi. Setelah membaca pengalaman pahit dari kawan kita yang bekerja di malaysia apa kata saya berkongsi pengalaman saya. Galuh Pangestu Indraswari teman kita dari indonesia yg kini bekerja di Malaysia jika ada masa kamu membaca karangan ini boleh la bertandang ke Kampung Sungai Tangkas, Bangi, Selangor. Dari Stesen Sentral KTM Kuala Lumpur tambangnya RM 3.70 rasanya. Kemudian turun di Stesen UKM. Jalan kaki 100 meter itulah kampung sungai tangkas. Disini kebanyakan kedai makan atau restoran masakannya sedap. Sesuai dengan selera org melayu. Pertama kali saya ke kampung sungai tangkas tertarik hati bagaimana rencah atau acuan kepada integrasi kaum disini. Disini hampir 200 orang dari Indonesia. Telah menetap lebih dari 20 tahun lalu. Dari thailand, myanmar & pakistan. Penduduk asal kampung ini juga tidak menghadapi sebarang masalah berkomunikasi dengan rakyat indonesia disini. Kerana mereka telah berasimilasi dengan rakyat malaysia. Apa yang mengejutkan mereka juga boleh berbahasa loghat kelantan. Jarang-jarang rakyat Malaysia boleh berbahasa lebih dari 2 dialek. Dari ekonomi pula rakyat indonesia mencari wang dengan berniaga!!. Juga membuat saya terkejut. Penduduk asal kampung ini sudah lama bersaudara dan memberi kepercayaan kepada warga indonesia untuk membina kedai-kedai dan gerai. Disini saya senaraikan beberapa perniagaan warga indonesia di kampung sungai tangkas. Kedai runcit - 3 buah Gerai air tebu - 1 buah Kedai Makan - 1 buah Kedai Telefon - 2 buah Kedai dobi - 1 buah yang lainnya Cyber cafe, restoran, kedai gunting rambut, kedai runcit dan kedai telefon bimbit bukan milik warga indonesia.Bagaimana ini boleh terjadi? Bagaimana warga indonesia boleh mempunyai aset sebesar itu di Malaysia? japannya ada dalam darah kita. Penduduk kampung tidak pernah mempersoalkan isu kewarganegaraan, bangsa ataupun agama. Warga Indonesia hidup dalam keadaan harmoni disini. Pernah satu ketika seorang lelaki dibunuh disini. Ketika pulang dari kuliah malam saya melalui kawasan tersebut dan ramai polis dan penduduk kampung mengerumuni kawasan perumahan yang baru dibuat. Hati saya mengatakan "Ah.. dah agak dah mat indo punya kerja la ni.. gaduh sama sendiri lagi". Tapi dengan perasaan ingin tahu saya menunggu sehingga tamat forensik menganalisa kes. Jam 1.30 pagi pihak polis melonggarkan sekatan dan saya terus mengambil peluang untuk masuk secara dekat. Disitu terbaring mayat yang sudah terburai isi perutnya akibat dikelar dengan parang. Tetapi tanggapan saya sebelum ini silap kerana bukan warga indonesia tetapi india malaysia. Sejak setahun tinggal disini saya selesa tiada masalah berkaitan peras ugut atau samseng. Dahulunya kawasan itu dibawah 'Along' kini aman dan tenteram. Ketika tinggal di situ jika ada majlis perkahwinan atau majlis keagamaan atau apa sekalipun masyarakat sama bergontong royong dalam menjayakan majlis tersebut. Tiada sedikit pun bibit-bibit perkauman yang timbul. Kawan saya yang berkerja di Kolej Rahim Kajai UKM (warganegara indonesia) juga mempunyai keluarga disini. Kawan saya juga pernah memberi processor komputer ketika saya mengahapi masalah kewangan semasa belajar dahulu. Processor itu saya jualkan dengan harga RM 500 dan dia tidak sedikit pun minta hasil dari jualan processor itu. Memang saya akui ramai dari kalangan pelajar memandang pekerja indonesia sebagai pekerja kelas bawahan. Tetapi "Buat baik dibalas baik". Kini setelah setahun bekerja mereka semakin maju dan ada antaranya sudah berkahwin dan mempunyai anak. Ada sudah mempunyai motosikal sendiri. Semasa belajar juga, di fakulti saya terdapat beberapa pelajar indonesia tetapi mereka merasakan ada penghalang dalam komunikasi. Kami tidak pula memperendahkan mereka malah mereka bebas bergaul dengan kami. Ketika bekerja di sebuah syarikat animasi di Technology Park Bukit Jalil. Terdapat juga rakan sekerja dari indonesia (chinese). Mereka juga mengahadapi masalah yang sama kadang-kadang diragut, dimaki tetapi kemesraan bersama-sama rakan sekerja amat baik. Parti dianjurkan oleh pihak syarikat juga dihadiri oleh mereka. Majlis rumah terbuka Hari Raya (lebaran) juga dihadiri oleh mereka. Pendek kata tiada bezanya antara indonesia atau malaysia. Jika ada kemahuan disitu ada jalan. Sikap mesra boleh dipupuk asalkan jangan berfikiran negatif. Pengalaman saya ini nampaknya bercanggah dari pengalaman penulis sebelum ini. Jika penduduk kampung sungai tangkas boleh menerima warganegara indonesia disini kenapa tidak kampung-kampung lain? Disini kami boleh mengecam warganegara indonesia dari cara pemakaiannya. Jika perempuan akan memakai tudung indonesia. Manakala lelaki dari raut wajah. Tetapi tidak terdetik menggunakan perkataan sempadan dalam pergaulan jauh sekali menganggap sebagai orang asing dalam masyarakat. Tetapi di Jakarta mereka menganggap Malaysia ini asing. Tolong jangan beri tanggapan buruk kepada kami. sekian, LieGanah Ore Kelate Kito

#275	Fairy	11-Jan-2008, 10:55 MYT
Here's another recent "Indon" acknowledgement by Malaysian authorities, well, DUH. BTW, I wonder if the 'nigger' reference by Khairy J below was inspired by my 'Indon' article - I did after all highlight the comparison. And plus, the comment by the PSSLM guy (see last few paragraphs) is IDIOTIC at best. What Khairy was trying to achieve was to get people to stop using 'Indon' to refer to Indonesians, NOT to propose a new shortened name for Indonesians! Honestly people, get with the programme! Perkataan Indon tak diiktiraf Jumaat, 11 Januari 2008 KUALA LUMPUR: Cendekiawan dan pakar bahasa Melayu tidak merestui penggunaan perkataan 'Indon' bagi merujuk kepada warga Indonesia di negara ini kerana tidak diiktiraf sebagai perkataan dan memberi pengertian negatif. Sambil menyambut baik saranan Naib Ketua Pemuda Umno, Khairy Jamaludin kelmarin yang mahu rakyat menghentikan panggilan itu, mereka mahu kerajaan terutama Kementerian Penerangan mengeluarkan garis panduan kepada media massa supaya supaya masyarakat luar tidak terikut-ikut. Ketua Pengarah Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka (DBP), Datuk Dr Firdaus Abdullah, berkata DBP sejak dulu memang tidak mengiktiraf perkataan itu kerana ia tidak memberi sebarang pengertian dan seharusnya ditukar kepada orang Indonesia atau warga Indonesia. "Lagipun, sejarah di negara luar dan negara kita sendiri menunjukkan panggilan itu sebagai menghina. Sejarah di negara luar juga membuktikan panggilan seumpama itu lebih kepada berunsurkan menghina seperti berlaku di Amerika Syarikat (AS) apabila orang berkulit putih memanggil orang kulit hitam dengan perkataan 'nigger'. "Jadi, saya menyokong supaya dihapuskan penggunaan perkataan Indon kerana tidak mendapat pengiktirafan DBP sebagai perkataan dan menghina warga Indonesia yang sudah lama menjadi rakan negara kita," katanya di sini, semalam. Beliau diminta mengulas kenyataan Khairy pada hari terakhir Dialog Malindo 2008 kelmarin yang mahu rakyat menghentikan penggunaan gelaran itu yang dianggap menghina dan menjatuhkan maruah mereka. Khairy berkata, rakyat Indonesia tersinggung dengan panggilan itu yang didakwa seolah-olah rakyat Malaysia memandang rendah serta tidak menghormati mereka sebagai jiran serumpun yang berkongsi banyak persamaan. Sehubungan itu, Firdaus berharap Kementerian Penerangan yang bertanggungjawab memantau operasi media massa negara memainkan peranan supaya keharmonian hubungan antara dua negara rumpun Melayu itu tidak terjejas. "Sayang kalau kita keruhkan hubungan baik yang sudah lama terjalin hanya kerana perkara yang remeh temeh dan lebih teruk lagi ia berkaitan dengan benda yang tidak diiktiraf langsung," katanya. Pakar bahasa, Prof Emeritus Dr Nik Safiah Karim pula menjelaskan perkataan Indon tidak termasuk dalam senarai perkataan dan hanya boleh dianggap sebagai singkatan kepada Indonesia. "Memang tidak ada masalah menggunakannya, tetapi adalah lebih elok jika digantikan ayat itu kepada warga Indonesia yang lebih sesuai bagi mengelakkan perasaan orang lain tersinggung," katanya. "Jadi, saya sokong kenyataan supaya perkataan itu tidak digunakan bagi menjaga perasaan orang lain dan lebih penting memelihara keagungan Bahasa Melayu sendiri," katanya. Sementara itu, Mahaguru dan Pengasas Pertubuhan Seni Silat Lincah Malaysia (PSSLM) meminta Khairy mencadangkan nama yang sesuai kepada warga Indonesia sekiranya panggilan 'Indon' dianggap menghina dan menjatuhkan maruah rakyat republik itu. Beliau berkata, Khairy patut memberikan nama lain selepas beliau (Khairy) meminta rakyat berhenti memanggil warga Indonesia di negara ini dengan panggilan berkenaan. "Sekiranya panggilan 'Indon' tidak boleh digunakan, takkan nak panggil Republik Indonesia. Saya berpendapat tiada salahnya kita menggunakan panggilan 'Indon.' "Saya minta maaf kerana saya bukan ahli bahasa, jadi eloklah saudara Khairy bagi satu nama atau gelaran lain. Saya fikir nama singkatan itu adalah satu kemegahan untuk orang Indonesia," katanya. Source: Berita Harian Link

#274	Fairy	11-Jan-2008, 10:47 MYT
What took Malaysian politicians so long to issue this kind of statement, sheesh. We've acknowledged this for yonks, right guys! Khairy: Stop saying 'Indon' (2008/01/09) SHAH ALAM: Stop using the derogatory term "Indon" when referring to Indonesians. Umno Youth deputy chief Khairy Jamaluddin said most Malaysians were unaware that the term was not used in Indonesia and that Indonesians were offended by its usage here. Speaking at the Malaysian-Indonesian (Malindo) Dialogue 2008, he urged Malay-sians to be more sensitive to the feelings of Indonesians. "The Malaysian media should lead the way by doing away with the term, to avoid causing ill feelings." Khairy said words and terms which caused anger or hurt a person's feelings should be avoided as they could be used by irresponsible parties to fan discontentment. Indonesian delegate Hamkam Noor said the term "Indonesian" denoted the identity of the country's people and the truncated word was belittling to them. The representative from Umum Komite Nasional Pemuda Indonesia supported the call to stop using the term. Khairy said both countries should focus on their commonalities, which is a shared heritage and past, instead of letting differences of opinions spoil the current good relations. To further enhance ties, Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono would be conferred with the title Tun, which is the nation's highest award, by Yang di-Pertuan Agong Sultan Mizan Zainal Abidin during his working visit to Malaysia on Thursday. Source: New Straits Times Malaysia Link

#273	Dunno	6-Jan-2008, 16:11 MYT
Should we call Malaysian as MALAS?

#272	Fairy	27-Dec-2007, 18:38 MYT
PAKDIN: Relax, of course not everyone is that taxi driver, no one is saying that Malaysians are all like that. It is just unfortunate for Galuh that she had such a terrible experience with that one particular driver.

#271	PakDin	26-Dec-2007, 14:43 MYT
well... not all Malaysian are that taxi drivers! not all Malaysian been robbed,raped,killed by Indonesian. Bad or good people are every where ini this world.

#270	Fairy	14-Dec-2007, 17:13 MYT
DIMAS: Thanks for sharing the story about Galuh's bad experience. In case anyone out there doubts its validity, I have personally checked with the Indonesian Embassy here in KL and it is indeed true and Galuh is a real person. The taxi driver's behaviour is appalling, to say the least. Absolutely a disgrace to our community. When will this nonsense cease? It's honestly getting out of hand!

#269	dimas - Website	13-Dec-2007, 17:04 MYT
hello fairy, i think what you made here is wonderful. you're creating a very nice space with great articles. ok, about Indon. i have a story from my friend who worked for the embassy in KL. and she was trated bad by a cab driver just because she's indonesia. happy reading. Kami Bukan “Indon” Bekerja dan hidup di Malaysia merupakan pengalaman terpahit dalam hidup saya. Tidak pernah saya merasa begitu terhina menjadi manusia apalagi sebagai seorang warganegara Indonesia. Ya, Saya adalah warganegara Indonesia, dan saya bangga dan cinta dengan hal tersebut. Saya ingin membagi pengalaman terpahit saya dari semua pengalaman pahit yang pernah saya alami. Kejadian ini terjadi pukul tujuh malam, hari Rabu tepatnya tanggal 12 Desember 2007. Hari itu saya merasa sudah cukup letih dengan pekerjaan dan memutuskan untuk pulang meskipun sedang hujan. Keluar dari gerbang Kedutaan Besar RI Kuala Lumpur, saya dan teman memutuskan untuk naik taksi. Kami sadar pilihan ini akan membuat kami harus menunggu cukup lama. Sekedar informasi, kalau cuaca bagus dan masih relatif sore mencari taksi susahnya bukan main, apalagi dengan keadaan hujan dan larut malam. Setelah menunggu hingga beberapa puluh menit, akhirnya ada taksi yang berhenti. Saya pun merasa sangat bersyukur. Karena harus melipat payung terlebih dahulu dan hal ini sedikit memakan waktu, maka ketika masuk taksi saya pun mengucapkan “maaf yah” pada supir taksi, standar orang Indonesia dalam bersopan santun. Beberapa detik setelah siap dan menuju tempat tujuan, sopir itu bertanya “you Indon ke?” Saya jawab: “Indonesia.” Kemudian dengan nada tinggi dia kembali mengatakan “Indon” saya jawab “Indonesia” dan berulang beberapa kali seperti itu. Kemudian dia pun mengatakan “No Indonesia in Malaysia there is only Indon,” dengan nada marah-marah. Kemudian dia menyusul makiannya dengan berkata, “I am a muslim, I am scared of nothing, you indon did wrong, you scared people afraid to know you are indon,” dengan nada emosi dan bingung teman saya mulai melawan, “no, we aren’t scared of nothing, we are Indonesia not Indon.” Kemudian saya menyondongkan badan ke depan ke arah supir dan menyorongkan muka ke arahnya dan bertanya: “do you have problem?” Kemudian dia menjawab “no, good enough.” Saya jawab “Ok” dan dia membalas “Ok, no talk.” Setelah saya balik duduk di posisi menyender, kembali dia berucap “you indon all crazy, criminals, get out of here, it’s free for you indon, get off” dan mengucapkan itu berulang kali. Kami pun langsung turun, meskipun hujan dan macet, dan posisi taksi yang kami tumpangi berada di tengah-tengah jalan. Makian gila itu tidak berhenti sampai kami turun. Setelah kami ke pinggir sambil merasa shock, supir itu keluar dari taksi, berteriak-teriak ditengah jalan, “you indon bastard, you wont pay, you all criminals,” sampai-sampai semua orang dalam mobil yang sedang sesak dan macet itu pun melihat ke arah kami. Sekedar informasi, argo di taksi itu baru RM2 lebih beberapa sen, karena kami baru berjalan sekitar 200 meter. Membuka pintu taksi di Malaysia akan dikenakan tarif buka pintu sebesar RM2, atau Rp. 5000. Lagipula dia mengusir kami dengan mengatakan “it’s free.” Buat apa kami bayar setelah dicaci-maki dan diusir apalagi baru jalan sekitar 200 meter. Ketika mobil mulai berjalan pun dia membuka kaca dan tetap memaki. Saya tidak mengerti, saya sangat merasa sakit hati dan tidak percaya ini terjadi. Saya tidak mengerti, mengapa sulit sekali bagi mereka (saya tidak menyebut seluruhnya, namun mayoritas orang Malaysia) untuk memanggil orang Indonesia dengan Indonesia dan bukan “Indon”. Sudah pekak telinga saya disebut-sebut sebagai “Indon”. Sebagai staf lokal KBRI di Malaysia, keinginan untuk meluruskan atau menghilangkan istilah ini mungkin jauh lebih besar daripada bagi warganegara Indonesia yang bekerja diluar KBRI Kuala Lumpur. Bekerja di instansi ini membuat saya melihat lebih jelas segala ketidakadilan yang dialami oleh WNI. Walaupun demikian, saya berusaha membuat perbedaan dengan apa yang saya lihat dari nasib orang-orang Indonesia yang berada di penampungan dan yang mendapat kesuksesan mencari nafkah di Malaysia. Nyatanya, begitu saya menginjakkan kaki keluar dari KBRI Kuala Lumpur, hinaan dan tawaan yang bernada merendahkan justru seringkali saya alami sebagai seorang warga negara Indonesia. Kami bukan “Indon”. Kami Indonesia. Saya rasa hal ini cukup simple dan mudah dimengerti oleh bangsa yang sangat maju seperti Malaysia. Saya lelah dihina dan ditertawakan. Ingin sekali saya berteriak sampai menggema ke seluruh penjuru Malaysia bahwa dengan bangga dan rasa cinta saya mengungkapkan, “Saya adalah warganegara Indonesia”. Penulis: Galuh Pangestu Indraswari, Staf Lokal Bagian Pendidikan KBRI Malaysia Mobile phone: +60169613071 Office: +60-03-21164121 Fax: +60-03-21445528

#267	Fairy	14-Nov-2007, 17:41 MYT
CIREBONESE, ZADEE, thank you for your recent comments. I appreciate you being respectful in this forum. Although Zadee, your comments are a bit on the strong side for our Indonesian readers. And for the record, CIREBONESE, I don't think Sheikh Muszaphar was the first Muslim to enter space. This American-Iranian lady is. There was a comment from an 'anonymous' person after Cirebonese which I considered very rude (and there was also another one in the Guestbook). Remember, there is no room and tolerance here for comments which are tasteless and disrespectful. If you have an opinion, please lah, pakai bahasa yang elok. No need to make reference to 'Malingsia' or whatever it is inconsiderate Indonesians are calling Malaysia these days.

#264	Fairy	8-Nov-2007, 12:50 MYT
miund: Hey there, thanks ya. I'm gonna drop you an email.

#263	miund - Website	7-Nov-2007, 19:15 MYT
THANK YOU FAIRY! Oh my God, I wanted so much to write about this in my English blog, but I couldn't possibly put it better than you. I hate the term Indon so much, and I salute you for posting this. Please accept my heartfelt gratitude. -Miund-, an Indonesian girl. ps: by the way, I think we have a mutual friend.

#262	Fairy	28-Sep-2007, 15:44 MYT
PAKDIN: I knew someone out there would be pleased, especially you Pak. Here's to two-sided stories!

#261	pakdin	28-Sep-2007, 12:48 MYT
TQ Fairy for forwarding mr Sultan article! that the real. Now people out of Jakarta say something... let those loe,gw tau situasi sebenarnya kalau baca koran Kompas,Koki,Jakarta Post there is nothing good about Malaysia.

#260	Fairy	27-Sep-2007, 22:02 MYT
REI: It doesn't feel nice to be generalized into a minority group that thinks against your own beliefs, does it? That's how I feel sometimes when some Indonesians tend to overgeneralize Malaysians to be sekian dan sekian.

#259	rei	27-Sep-2007, 18:30 MYT
sorry double post,,, well.,That's not true if u say people of jakarta lah yang kepengen to stop bilateral relationship between indo and Malay... it's not founded.. paling cuman nol koma sekian persen doank penduduk jakarta yang anti-malaysia and the rest, fine2 saja kok...

#258	rei	27-Sep-2007, 18:14 MYT
nah lo, kok jadi orang jakarta yg disalahin??? puh-leaze deh...

#257	Fairy	27-Sep-2007, 10:48 MYT
Teman-teman, Saya tergerak hati untuk berkongsi sebuah reaksi daripada seorang yang bernama Sultan yang tinggal di Batam. I know it's a slightly outdated, but still relevant to our discussion on the Indonesian karate referee beating incident. I had no idea some people were so serious about spreading travel warnings against visiting Malaysia. At any rate, this is what Sultan had to say about it, I find him to be very rational and clear headed. From: S yohh Date: Sep 3, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [jurnalisme] Mengapa tak ada Traver Warning ke Malaysia? To: jurnalisme@yahoogroups.com Jangan terlalu berlebihan Pak! Mengikuti diskusi soal yang satu ini, kok, saya rasa jadi melebar ke mana-mana. Insiden yang menjadi pemicu pun belum jelas juntrungnya. Koran Tempo beberapa waktu lalu menurunkan dua versi berbeda peristiwa pengeroyokan wasit Donald Peter Luther. Keduanya, bahkan sepertinya tidak menarik untuk dicari tahu, versi mana yang benar. Eh..., justru malah rame-rame menghujat ke arah yang nggak-nggak. Yang sweeping lah, yang pemutusan hubungan diplomatik... Kini malah ada yang usul travel warning. Jika Anda-anda semua tinggal di daerah perbatasan (seperti saya yang di Batam), mungkin Anda-anda akan merasa, bagaimana ketergantungan kami dengan Malaysia, juga negara2 lain seperti Singapura. Bagaimana ketidakterpisahan masyarakat2 masing-masing negara. "Bos-bos" Jakarta sana, aduh... cuma bisanya minta jatah PAD kami sambil buat kebijakan-kebijakan nggak karu-karuan untuk kami di sini. Kebijakan yang sama sekali nggak mikir seperti apa keadaan interaksi kami di perbatasan. Ketika Jakarta mengetuk palu, memutuskan kebijakan2 ngawur mereka soal hubungan antarnegara, kamilah yang langsung kena imbas. Bukan kalian, wahai orang2 Jakarta! Jika misalnya travel warning atau hubungan diplomatik diputus, Anda-anda semua bisa bayangkan, bagaimana sulitnya interaksi ribuan keluarga yang tinggal di Kepri-Malaysia. Anda mungkin tak tahu, setiap minggu, ratusan, bahkan ribuan keluarga dari Malaysia datang ke Pinang/Batam, juga sebaliknya. Sepengalaman saya, peristiwa yang dialami Donald Peter Luther (ataupun keponakan Mbak Sirikit yang pilot itu) hanya insidental saja. Kita tidak bisa memukul rata, menganggap perlakuan mereka semua begitu. Di Sabah, Kinabalu, sebagai Indon (sebutan Indon kini tidak bisa diartikan sebatas sebutan hinaan. Tapi sudah menjadi sebutan umum selayak orang kita menyebut China, atau "Dasar Batak lu...") saya diperlakukan dengan baiknya oleh setiap orang yang saya temui. Di Penang, bahkan saya dipersilahkan tinggal di keluarga yang tak saya kenal sebelumnya. Di Johor, Kuala Lumpur, memang agak cuek layaknya Jakarta. Tapi masyarakat di Malaka, Ipoh, Selangor, mengingatkan saya pada kampung saya di Batu, Malang sana. Masyarakatnya ramah-ramah. Sekali lagi, cobalah berpikir dengan lebih bijaksana. Dan jangan hanya berpikir dengan cara pandang Jakarta saja! Salam dari Batam, Sultan http://adalahcerita.blogspot.com/

#255	Fairy	19-Sep-2007, 12:02 MYT
VINCENT: Yes, nobody wants to be treated cruelly or unkindly. And yes, there are issues with the way some government folks carry out their duties. But I doubt it is the norm. I think you are OVERGENERALIZING that the Malaysian government and its people are all "$hit". It's too much of a hit-in-the-dark type of accusation, unbecoming of someone who is educated and open minded. Please read this comment from a reader named Ezza Fariza and after that, tell me if you still think the Malaysian government treat Indonesian people like "$hit." PAKDIN: Buat apa malu mengaku jadi orang Malaysia, yang buat salah dan kejam itu bukannya semua orang di negara tercinta kita ini.

#254	pakdin	19-Sep-2007, 09:35 MYT
Just came back from UGM Yogya.Matur nuwunnn. Satu ajah konklusi dari Pak Din peace be upon all (doesnt matter your colour,nationality,r ace) we are all human children of earth! berantem atas nama patriotisme,nasional isme ! please ajah deh.... God is great! kalau seperti Yim Pek Ha (majikan Nirmala), 4 polisi itu, aku pun malu ngaku asal Malaysia!

#252	Fairy	18-Sep-2007, 10:09 MYT
I do appreciate people giving their comments here, everyone is entitled to their own opinion - but let's do try to be constructive, less emotional and more logical & realistic, ya people. VINCENT: Of course Malaysia is far from perfect, I agree it's not without flaws. But to say that the practice of modern Islam in Malaysia was represented by the policemen who abused the Indonesian karate referee is not only inaccurate, it is unfounded and a bit biased. Heck, we don't even know for sure if the bad policemen were even all Muslims. And even if they were, surely a few idiots do not represent an entire country.

#251	vincent	17-Sep-2007, 17:12 MYT
mcat, dont make me sick.. u know your country is far from perfect either... It's not like Malaysia got no problem, nggak cemerlang2 amat juga.. I am also concern with the latest development in Malaysia. Malaysia is not "better" than Indonesia, even worst for certain issues such as democracy, race discrimination, corruption, control of press and human rights.... "Melihat kuman di seberang lautan, gajah di pelupuk mata tak terlihat".. malaysia is a modernly islamic country, so that's why it's not surprising that malaysian police tortured Mr. Donald before interogating him and without any evidence. is that the way the educated people do to solve the problems??. now i know what the definition of modern country is. hahaha....think twice b4 making statements, sir !!

#249	Fairy - Website	13-Sep-2007, 10:11 MYT
SUPERGAY: Ya udah, peace bro. Lest we forget, arrogant and incompetent policemen are everywhere, not just in Malaysia. Indonesia is no exception either. Here is a recent report from Kompas on what some Indonesians think of their Polri officers.

#248	SuperGay	9-Sep-2007, 21:38 MYT
Fairy: I agree dear.They also cant plan and execute their project without the funds that they keep receiving. I wonder whos behind all this. They must be very rich Ok Fara. Udah ah males ngomongin ginian, capek dech, gak bakal kelar gue yakin. Gue mau baca2 artikel lo yang lain lagi ya see u there.

#247	Fairy	9-Sep-2007, 13:15 MYT
SUPERGAY: I agree that masterminds are important, however they cannot execute their plans without help from others.

#246	SuperGay	9-Sep-2007, 02:28 MYT
Fairy: I believe the mastermind has the most important role. I mean if they're operating in Pakistan they will recruit some Pakistanis I suppose. Looks like It depends on the location

#244	Fairy	6-Sep-2007, 09:52 MYT
SUPERGAY dude: Alamak, devi apa devil apa diva nih? I did not forget that the masterminds behind the Bali bombings are Malaysians, but the perpetrator a.k.a. orang suruhan yang di bawah mereka itu adalah orang Indonesia (remember Amrozi the smiling bomber, was he not local?). That was what ran through my mind when I wrote my last comments, actually. Nobody needed to listen to the ludicrous commands of these masterminds, they could have walked away and not do it, betul tak? It takes two to tango, and in this case it was a very evil dance that they were jiving to. Need I reiterate the concept of bad vs good? And why Indonesia? I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the fact that Indonesia is a the biggest Muslim country in the world and perhaps easier for the mastermind to coax this brethern to act in such a way. Buat apa in Cambodia or Laos, or even Malaysia (we're a tiny speck compared to you guys), not big as an impact. Yang sedang marak di zaman ini kan Islam extremism, so doing it in Cambodia or Laos would be rather odd. Perhaps the bombings are an indication that security in Indonesia was more lax and hence people can get away with something as nasty as a bombing threat, Allahuwaalam. But of course this is not the case anymore, security in Indonesia is crazy tight.

#243	SuperGay	5-Sep-2007, 23:13 MYT
Fairy: U're such a devi u know, those kind and wise words hmmm... could u be any wiser Oh ya, one thing that still bother me and a lot of Indonesians here since u mentioned the Bali Bombing earlier. The mastermind of several bomb attacks in Indonesia are Malaysians dear. Why did they destroy our country? Why didnt they do it in Malaysia or any vulnerable country? Cambodia or Lao DPR for instance? Why here? Why Indonesia? It's like a BIG BIG CONSPIRACY U know. Looks like the whole world is united against Indonesia, trying to stop Indonesia for becoming a great nation. But of course We all realize and do believe that the most populous muslim nation with all its great natural resources can be a threat to any other country if she grows greater and getting richer. Ohh Poor Indonesia, I love U so much but I hate U too.

#242	Fairy	5-Sep-2007, 14:22 MYT
RAHEL: My apologies for not responding to you, I overlooked. No doubt, there are negative stereotypical views of Indonesian workers (TKI) here in Malaysia. With all the bad limelight Malaysians are facing, there is also another side of the story: There are Malaysians who have also been victimized by Indonesians, such as being hurt and robbed out of their house and home by a group of criminals who are helped by the home owner's maid (insider job gitu lah). There are also maids who abuse their employer's kids while they go off to work, and things of that sort. You get the picture lah. So really, all of this is not so much about being Indonesian vs Malaysian, but rather it is about being good or bad human beings. Let's face it, there are bad folks everywhere, capable of really bad things. And then there are the good folks who don't want trouble and want to lead happy, safe lives. I've also heard and read a lot of negative things about Indonesia in the media that would make anyone afraid to go visit it, like the bombings that have taken place in Bali and Jakarta in the past 5 years for example, but do I live my life assuming all Indonesians are Islam extremists and suicide bombers? No, right. So the same ideology can be applied to Malaysia, we're not all a bunch of maid-abusing, disrespectful to our Indonesian friends type of people. There are actually idiots or deranged people out there who commit such insanity. And oh yes, there is nothing wrong with demonstrating your views of course, but when you talk about sweeping people out of your country just because a few people screwed up, now that's just crazy talk.

#240	Fairy	5-Sep-2007, 10:23 MYT
EMCAT: Pihak media Indonesia memang kadang-kadang terlalu membesar-besarkan isu buruk yang berkaitan dengan pengendalian orang Malaysia terhadap Indonesia. Kita pun maklum Indonesia adalah negara yang punya maruah dan harga diri juga. Tapi dari situ Malaysia juga harus mendapat pelajaran untuk memperbaiki diri - kita pun tidak sempurna. BLUE_LI: Thanks, I wrote this article two years ago, but it is still being hotly discussed till today by MyIndo.com readers. PAKCIK RAMLEE & EVERYONE: I actually received a lot of forwards from my Indonesian friends about the Budiman Bachtiar Harsa story (see post #238). Before believing it I wrote personally to Mr Budiman to verify the story and he has replied to confirm. I'm not one to quickly believe flying forwards but in this case, it is genuine. The main denominator of the stories from Budiman and Donald the karate referee is: BAD COPS. They are everywhere in the world, not just in Malaysia. To generalize that all policemen in Malaysia are arrogant, rude and thugs is simply irrational, unfounded and discriminatory. To say that these bad cops are representative of Malaysia is a silly, surely a few bad apples does not mean everyone in the entire country is of the same poor character? The fact that Donald was confronted by plain clothes policemen may have set off his instincts and his self defence acts. I mean honestly, can you blame the guy if he started putting up a fight stance to defend himself against what looked like 4 guys ready to mug him? I don't condone police brutality. I personally think that Donald and Budiman were two unlucky men at the wrong place at the wrong time. And Polis Diraja Malaysia needs to buck up their policing system and put these bad cops away. The other moral of the story is: carry your passports with you when walking around a foreign country. In most countries, it is the law to carry identification papers, failing to do so may result in getting a fine or imprisonment. If you're afraid to carry it with you lest you get pick pocketed or robbed, consider carrying a photocopy version of the document. Better safe then sorry.

#234	Fairy	31-Aug-2007, 00:28 MYT
INDONESIAN_BOY: I'm touched by your well wishes for Malaysia, thank you. Today, I have been bombarded with queries from Indonesian friends regarding the karate referee issue and other recent ugly Indonesian tourist stories about their visit to Malaysia. I am very saddened by the incidents. Very disappointed and disgusted, if the tales are genuine and true. The state of Negri Sembilan is conducting an investigation on the serious allegation made by the referee, Donald Peter, and I hope the bullies will be severely dealt with. More and more of these stories concerning Indonesian tourists getting abused by Malaysian undercover cops are surfacing at an alarming pace, especially on Indonesian forums. These hooligans who have the cheek to call themselves 'policemen' are a disgrace and are propelled by nothing more than an intensely tasteless act of discrimination. I hope that they are the exception rather than the norm. Unfortunately I am not too aware of these type of cases until Indonesian friends highlight them to me, perhaps Malaysian mainstream media doesn't expose enough to Malaysians? I am totally against such abuse of power and as a person who values the good relationship Malaysia-Indonesia share, the revelation of these unfortunate cases perplexes and peeves me off. However at the same time, I would like to give time allowance to the Malaysian authorities to probe into the matter and hear their official conclusions. But having said that, it doesn't make up for the bad publicity and the tarnished image that Malaysia is perpetually facing nowadays, especially with reports of Indonesian maid abuses by Malaysian employers.

#233	indonesian_boy	30-Aug-2007, 21:40 MYT
btw mbak fai... do u no wat's goin on i'sia-m'sia relationship recently?? it's gettin hotter.. many ppl kat sini tunjuk2 perasaan tu la macam pas case blok ambalat.. it coz a referee from Indo was beated by 4 Malay cops that attended International Referee Convention in Malaysia... From what I know, when the referee and his friend walking back to their hotel after meeting, they been approached by 4 people who didn't introduced themself first. With the skill that the referee have surely he got pissed off when policemen asked him who they are in police style and maybe he thought the policemen was criminal and started a fight with those policemen. After failed to scare the karatee guru, later the policemen introduced themself and the karatee guru stop his aggrassive moved. But sadly after failed to defeat the karate guru in open battle, they decided to beat him up and you know what happen next. How brutal.. n then some indo peeps over react this thing...they do demonstrate n and sweep against Malaysian nationals in i'sia. they ask indo govt to stop bilateral relationship between indo and Malaysia.

#231	Fairy	30-Aug-2007, 10:39 MYT
Read "Stereotypes 'hurt Malaysia, RI relations'" Link

#229	indonesian_boy	27-Jul-2007, 10:46 MYT
G’day everyone.. wah2.. Apparently the problem of word indon usage is really taking many attentions from many people… there’s so many ppl want participate n voice their opinion here.. Bener2…, top deh buat mbak fai yang udah create this article n bring the issue out. Anyway, the problem of TKI is a topic which often talked as one of issue in mass medianya Indonesia lately. I often watching one of news channel in Indonesia, almost everyday, there’s must be any topic about Indonesia n malaysia relationship, are lifted as the issue at its own news, terkhusus hal yang menyangkut tentang masalah TKI. At least, you surely will see it at news of its running text. That’s true what have been told by mad sundanese, said that mass media has a big role in creating pola pikir (mind) n pola hidup or habituation at one particular society. Yes, in the past in Indonesian,it was only used word cina for daily conversation among ppl, refer to chinese or all reeks of the country.. But nowadays in Indonesia, the name of that country is being changed with word china (read: English pronounciation). It has being begun since many broadcasters often say it like that anytime they read or write the news about it. I’ve also heard that a small number of Chinese here, some of my Chinese friends as well, complain if they are dubbed as “orang cina”.. In fact that pronounce the word china itself sounds much better than cina, so we have to try to change it with pleasure. And it has been done. So what the point I emphasize here is everything definitely can be handled if there’s a will. It’s the time for malaysians should hear and accept our complain from Indonesia by trying to stop using it. Citing posting yang sudah2. At least for those malaysians yang udah tau, stop deh call us with that word. Apa susahnya sih mengganti dengan kata Indonesia doank? Please deh……

#226	Fairy	25-Jul-2007, 02:00 MYT
Mad Sundanese: Terima kasih atas masukan anda, ada bernasnya. In'sia itu not a bad idea sebenarnya. But are we willing to go to that extent? Nanti ada yang protest lagi tu disebabkan In'sia itu masih bukan perkataan sempurna "Indonesia."

#224	Fairy	21-Jul-2007, 06:29 MYT
CIREBONESE: Your last postings weren't banned kok. Please check your email - I sent you one.

#223	cirebonese - Website	20-Jul-2007, 18:39 MYT
Fai, I'm sorry....I'm just curious.... It's looks like my comment (which sent last night about 10 or 11 PM WIB) didn't get your approval..... Why...? I need a reason..... I thought it wasn't offensive and I didn't use any improper words.....

#222	ungke	20-Jul-2007, 15:34 MYT
Pure Indonesian, I saw it too on TV and I just can’t believe it. How come such statement comes from a very educated person like a cabinet minister. I hope it’s only a rumor and probably someone needs to clarify this by showing authentic evidence.

#221	Fairy	19-Jul-2007, 17:18 MYT
FAREL: Welcome! Yes it is true that some people feel the word 'Indon' is a derogatory term. The reasons why have been elaborated in the article I've written above. MDM ZORRA: Saya pernah juga sekali imbas tengok cerita 'KASIH SUCI' di TV, cuma baru sekarang saya tahu jalan ceritanya dari ulasan anda. Malangnya begitulah persepsi sebahagian pihak yang menganggap pembantu rumah adalah punca rosaknya sesebuah rumahtangga. Baru-baru ini, kaum wanita Cina di Malaysia telah membantah dan enggan menerima pembantu dari negara Cina untuk mengganti kekurangan bekalan pembantu Indonesia. Mereka takut akan kejadian yang baru saya ungkapkan tadi. PURE INDONESIAN: Yes, it is a shame indeed that a small number of Indonesian maids are abused, not only in Malaysia, but in other countries like Singapore and Saudi Arabia, as indicated by media reports. I am curious to know where you read or heard about the Malaysian Home Affairs Minister's comments about not allowing maids to get the day off - can you cite me a media link on this or quote me where you saw it? I do follow quite extensively on such stories concerning Malaysia - Indonesia relations, as much as I can - but I've not yet read this type of bold comment from the authorities in any media. If anything they are quite wary of the situation of abused maids and would not be caught dead saying such terrible things. But I am open to being negated if you can show me some evidence. Thanks.

#217	Fairy	2-Jul-2007, 12:41 MYT
G Van Joed: Sad phenomenon. Someone sent me an email after I asked that question about whether anyone setuju pengiriman TKI itu ibarat slave trade. He mentioned that illegal TKIs who are sent back to Indonesia are rounded up again by para preman, dijual lagi, and shipped off when the waters are calm again. IKRAM: Thanks for the citation, honored. UNGKE: Maaf, salah ya. Kalau tak salah saya, Glenn itu orang Ambon jadi saya assume sajalah kamu orang Ambon juga.

#216	ungke	2-Jul-2007, 11:44 MYT
Fairy, kamu keliru, Saya bukan orang Ambon. Saya orang Manado (north Sulawesi) ... BTW, saya setuju TKI = Slavery Trade Hari gini masih ada 'slavery trade' ke laut aja, hehehe!!!

#213	Fairy	29-Jun-2007, 15:55 MYT
UNGKE: Oh kamu orang Ambon! Betul kan? Sebenarnya kegiatan meng-eksport para TKI ini tidak jauh beda dengan slavery trade. Ada yang setuju?

#212	ungke	29-Jun-2007, 10:16 MYT
Fairy, Menurut saya yang jadi masalah bukan kata 'indon', tapi cara mengatakannya yang terkesan melecehkan. Mungkin sama seperti kata 'negro' yang ditujukan pada warga Amerika keturunan Afrika. Apa yang membuat 'indon' terkesan menghina? Jawabannya adalah citra (image) Indonesia di Malaysia yang terlanjur BURUK karena TKI. Makanya, solusi untuk menghilangkan atau paling tidak mengurangi kesan negatif tersebut adalah STOP mengirimkan TKI ke Malaysia, mudah kan? Tapi sepertinya jalan keluar ini tidak mungkin diambil oleh pemerintah Indonesia karena TKI itu lumbung devisa negara. .. Jadi, selama ada TKI maka don't blame Malaysian for calling indonesian as indon...! karena pemeritah sendiri tidak mau mengatasi akar masalahnya..... BTW, Fairy, I am 100 Indonesian. I am from Eest Indonesia not from Java. orang-orang di sini memang namanya seperti itu uncommon for Javanese (Indonesia is not only Java, hehe!). You might know these people : Glenn Fredly, Ruth Sahanaya, Harvey Maleiholo, Melly Goeslaw. I come from the same region like them. Thanks for replying my e-mail

#211	Fairy	28-Jun-2007, 13:53 MYT
Aussie Cate: Priceless example. BTW, marijuana as a cooking spice?

#209	Fairy	27-Jun-2007, 09:52 MYT
Hi Jade! Thanks for your most valuable comments, I think you've summed up your opinions quite nicely. I do agree with you that Indonesians are passionate people. I hope you're having a good time living in Malaysia.

#208	Jade	27-Jun-2007, 03:35 MYT
Hi, I'm an Indonesian girl, studying in Malaysia...I've been following this website for a long time...I can say that actually this article is the first thing that brought me to this website why ? well, because I've had the same experience myself, and most importantly even among my circle of friend (Indonesians) there are some who are ok and others who dislike the "indon" term...as for myself, well, I dislike the term, but I can say that is my personal preference I think many people dislike at the term bc in Indonesia itself, we never refer to ourselves as Indon, so it feels....err a bit weird.... Oh, a bit OOT, but...I think I need to say something about Indonesian personality...well, to tell you the truth, we DO have a bit inferiorty feeling lah, as our country is not exactly good in terms of political, government, yada yada So, we actually have that sort of looking up to people from other nation (see the article abt Inlader, i think that's quite describing abt the background) However ! from my observation being a student in Malaysia, I realize that Indonesians are more passionate & sensitive compared to Malaysian so those angry comments from Indonesians actually not really meant to vent to Malaysians lah, but more so like, "arg, I know my country is no so good lah, I'm also a bit frustated, but what to do, I love it SO MUCH~" (followed by the rant to goverment, tragedies, and all those shame) T_T I do hope one day, just as someone has mention before, that someone can look at me in awe and ask "are you an Indon/Indo/Indonesia n" And for the usage of Indon word ? well, IMHO it's better if newspapers are using Indonesian because it will benefit more to them, which are 1. Using more formal term, sounds more professional 2. You will get HUGE respect from Indonesian, especially those who lives in Malaysia (like me ) compared to saving space ^^ But then again, it's just my two cents, personally I think Indonesia have to improve a lot too lah, especially in terms of inferiority and government (i_i) Big applause to fairy for bringing this issue in such neutral manner =D I can say your website has been an antidote to my homesickness ^o^

#207	Fairy	26-Jun-2007, 10:01 MYT
UNGKE: Penyelesaiannya? Mungkin tiada. To me perkara seperti itu tak perlu lah dirumitkan. Cukuplah dikasi kesedaran ke orang awam, orang dah besar juga, boleh fikir pakai otak sendiri. And penting, jangan terlalu emosi! Kamu kirim email apa? Saya tidak terima. Tolong forward lagi? fairy at mahdzan dot com

#206	ungke	25-Jun-2007, 13:50 MYT
halo Fairy, Tampaknya, kasus ini sudah ada penyelesaiannya ya? Jadi, hasilnya bagaimana Fai? Beberapa waktu lalu saya lihat di "running text" Metro TV mengenai keberatan dari pihak Indonesia terhadap penggunaan Istilah "indon" di Media Malaysia. Wah.... ! Ternyata makin rumit aja nih, masalahnya..... Pusiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. .... BTW, have you recieved my msg? Will you grant it pls ?

#205	Dee - Website	13-Jun-2007, 12:57 MYT
Dear Fairy... My God, 2 years of debate already? I must say it's been somewhat amusing reading through all the comments and debates.. Anyway, when I went to Sarawak last month, it was the first time I experienced being called 'Indon', and it was just strange on the ears, it just didn't feel quite right. But when I told my Malaysian friends that in Indonesia, nobody uses the word 'Indon', they were really surprised. I guess the word is so widely used, that most people in Malaysia never even think of it as degrading whatsoever, that it's just like if we use Aussie for Australia, or Brit for British. But still, personally, I don't like the sound of "Indon", sorry..just can't help it.. But my policy is, I will never use the term "indon" myself, but I will try my best not to feel annoyed whenever someone addresses me as 'indon'. AUSSIE CAT: I've had some experience interacting with other foreigners, but I've never actually heard them use 'indon'. I don't know... I guess I would have to hear it for myself to know if it also feels strange... My guess is, some people might also find it offending. It might feel like back in the imperialism days when the Dutch calls us 'Inlander' (actually means pribumi/bumiputera). I have to agree with one of the comments that some (or perhaps many) Indonesian still suffers from the 'inferiority complex'. But, i wouldn't know for sure... Here's an interesting article titled "Mental Inlander Complex" i found. Link

#204	Fairy	12-Jun-2007, 05:57 MYT
HI SUPERGAY: Thanks for your email! I'll get back to you on Thursday ya?

#203	SuperGay	11-Jun-2007, 21:23 MYT
Fairy: I just replied ur email. Better late than not replying rite

#202	Fairy	11-Jun-2007, 20:56 MYT
SUPER GAY: I doubt it has anything to do with exoticism, "Bangla" is just easier and shorter to say. BTW I sent you an email last week, did you ever get it?

#201	SuperGay	11-Jun-2007, 20:00 MYT
Shinta : Lo orang Indo? Indonesia? Indochina? Atau Indo apa nich? Yang lengkap dong, INDONESIA Hmmm....jangan salahin orang Malaysia kalo mereke manggil kita Indon,lo sendiri aja nyingkat Indonesia jadi Indo Fairy: Bangla?? Sounds exotic I suppose

#199	Fairy	10-Jun-2007, 04:06 MYT
SUPER GAY: Malaysians typically refer to a Bangladeshi as Bangla, so I suppose that is one other abbreviation that is commonly used. But let's not get into the derogatory part of that word. Can't think of anything else at the moment, I'll let you know if I do!

#198	indonesian_boy	7-Jun-2007, 16:43 MYT
M'sian_boy : First, I'd like to say sorry for bad experience u hv faced wid our ppl. That's y u dislike indonesian, rite?. I can understand nw y u really hate indonesian then.. I can no hw ur feeling,dude. u may feel so. U may call us indon than i'sian as u like. Moreover I dont hv any right to forbide u to stop call us wid dat term anyway. But may I ask u one thing, dude : dont judge all indonesians hv da same bad behaviors like persons u said on ur comments b4.. Ur statements really make me sad... I luv my country so much 'n I luv malaysia too. I hv a lot of m'sians frens in my skul. I just wannna hope both indonesian n malaysian can be friend like us.. That's all. Peace ya'll..!! Salam

#197	SuperGay	5-Jun-2007, 20:49 MYT
bandung & penang : Your friends sounds cool to me Aniway here in Indonesia we call Malaysian Orang Malaysia. Australian Orang Australi, Japanese : Orang Jepang etc. How does it go in Malaysia? U call Indonesians Indon, do u guys also have nicknames for other nationality? I'm just curious, that's all

#195	Fairy	5-Jun-2007, 09:53 MYT
PAKDIN: Aww, so we won't see any more tongue in cheek comments from you then? I'd be VERY interested to see what people (the Indonesians) have to say about AUSSIE CATE'S comments on non-Malaysians using the word Indon. Any takers? RHANIE: Ya betul!

#192	pakdin	1-Jun-2007, 15:16 MYT
menteri pun dah "say yes to the pressure" Duta pun dah " ngaku kalah" Maka Pakdin dengan rasminya mengumumkan untuk undur diri (pamit) dulu dari arena ini. Segala fakta yang konstruktif itu kalau tersinggung tersungging minta/pohon (teringat jus markisa merk Pohon Pinang) maaf dipinta. Hormat saya pakdin

#190	Fairy	31-May-2007, 12:07 MYT
malaysian_boy: I was admiring how closely you follow Indonesian current issues, you must have a lot of interest juga in our neighboring country. Saya setuju dengan apa yang dikatakan tentang Indonesia kecuali tentang majalah PLAYBOY. Setahu saya majalah Playboy di Indonesia adalah majalah untuk kaum lelaki yang berkonsep lifestyle dan bukan seperti counterpartnya di Amerika dimana majalah tersebut adalah pornography. Aih, lari dari topik pulak. Very sorry to hear about your family's experience with those wretched perompak. I hope they got their justice. Bandung & Penang: No, no, you first lah.

#189	pakdin	31-May-2007, 10:39 MYT
Rasa-rasanya seperti ku kenal itu komentar # 184 dan # 187. Pernah jumpa di Adu Domba Blok Ambalat. Tapi aku straight people. Kemarin aku ke Medan waauh muncul lagi pelecehan " Bang di Malaysia ada rumah sakit korban lelaki yahh hu hu hu " lucu bahasa orang semananjung itu ya...

#188	bandung & penang	30-May-2007, 17:55 MYT
SUPER GAY:definitely we need more super gay here,eventhough they had been misunderstood thousand of years but they are still relevant..I have a gay friend who have an Indonesian gay boyfriend,they love each other and no fighting,they always have party all nite long .We must make love and not make war.We here fighting each other...just stop it!!Anyway,Fairy this is the time..Come and get ur indonesian boyfriend hahaha!

#186	Fairy	30-May-2007, 11:16 MYT
An excerpt from an Antara report about Malaysia's response towards the "Indon" word usage: In the meantime, Malaysian Ambassador to Indonesia Dato Zainal Abidin Zain said he had disseminated the Indonesian objection to the use of "Indon" for Indonesians to the Malaysian media. "Last month I have disseminated the objection of Indonesia on the use of the term `Indon` to all Malaysian media. I hope they will now use INA instead of `Indon` for Indonesia," the ambassador said here on Thursday. He said that actually Malaysia by no means had the intention to insult Indonesians by using the term "Indon". "It is only the newspapers which have been using the word `Indon` because they want to save space," he added. Taken from Malaysians told to stop using "Indon" for Indonesians See. Even the Malaysian ambassador in Indonesia shares my opinion that Malaysians don't mean insult by using the word "Indon," especially in print. But I really don't know how intuitive the term "INA" will be if it is used in media headlines, readers are going to be confused but they can be educated.

#185	Fairy	29-May-2007, 09:45 MYT
SuperGay: Super comment!

#184	SuperGay	28-May-2007, 21:17 MYT
Hmmm...interesting article. I am an Indonesian gay, had sex a lot of times with malaysian gays. Many Indonesian gays visit Malaysian gay spas, also many malaysian gays visit Indonesian gay discos here in Jakarta, the bottom line is We gay people never bother those rubbish (indon phrase, ambalat thingy, TKI) which can destroy our bond. Can U straight people do the exact same thing as we do?? Just let it flow guyz. dont let it destroy ur feeling

#183	indonesian_boy	28-May-2007, 13:25 MYT
begitu sukar bagi kami rakyat malaysia dr berhenti memanggil anda dgn gelaran 'INDON',sama juga dgn anda begitu sukar menghentikan rakyat anda memasuki negara kami secara haram,yaa dengan pelbagai ulahnya TKI illegal ini.. CapEkkkkk deh.......!!!!!! Belagu amat si neh orang,.?? To malaysian boy, dangkal bgt si pemikiran lu, gak semua indonesians di malaysia itu illegal, y'know? Abis pikir gue ama jalan pikiran lu... emang mudah bener klo list-kan kejelekan2 orang lain, tapi lu pernah mikir gak?, coba deh lu list-kan perbuatan bejat dari malaysians terhadap kami, indonesians.. baik itu di negeri lu sendiri ato di negera kami... I bet u never do that, dont u? Banyak malaysians yang bikin kesel indonesians asal kamu tau... Gak perlu la gue kasi tau di forum ini, karena itu hanyalah perbuatan yang konyol, cuman memperkeruh suasana aja... Namun di balik itu semua, kami masih nganggap kalian Malaysians tetap sebagai teman kami bahkan saudara,. Karena begitu banyak kesamaan yang kita punya. Dan juga, kami sadar dan tahu betul klo gak semua malaysians yang berbuat demikian.. So, I want to give my advice to malaysian boy : Take alook at your own in mirror before u make fun of others, ok..!! Suggestion: jangan pandang negara orang lain sebelah mata..

#182	Fairy	28-May-2007, 01:34 MYT
G Van Joed: Thanks for that link to the article, menarik juga to read about the response from Malaysian authorities regarding the word usage.

#177	Fairy	24-May-2007, 12:02 MYT
I have received some comments lately (which I did not approve) that involved using really ugly language and a lot of unnecessary bashing. While I respect people sharing their opinions, I will NOT approve comments that are rudely written and lack good taste. Such rantings come from both Malaysian and Indonesian alike, so really neither one is better than the other. If you have something to say and do so constructively and respectfully. Including the F word and calling each other things like "lazy asses" and "f***ing sh*t" will not see daylight in this forum. I simply will not accept it! Suggestion from indonesian_boy to continue keeping this discussion alive is welcomed and I think I shall. I just won't publish comments which I think are utter rubbish and will do no good but to incite anger and resentment.

#175	pakdin	23-May-2007, 16:25 MYT
“There’s no rule saying I can’t here in malaysian" oh gosh, what the hell is wrong with u. Be respect of each other, man!! You may argue that all the points you said are subjective. They may so. However, you must not forget the code of behavior accepted in other country. You can have your own freedom but keep it mind that others have it, too. That means your freedom is not supposed to trespass that of others. The next time you are defending your no-rule-forbids-it freedom, take time to see other people’ faces. If they don’t seem so pleased, it may not please you either. Get the lesson? So, be very careful with your notion freedom… What are trying to say here boy ? respect each other? meaning? you have to respect what ever Malaysian choose to be their acronym. Oklah boy selamat Lebaran Pakdin yang Malas

#172	pakdin	21-May-2007, 10:44 MYT
Sdr Amwar Ibra Beginilah ya, saya hanya saran "take it easy" saya ungkit soal tata bahasa karena ada panel diskusi (chewwah!) di sini membawa isu sebutan ini salah dari tata bahasa nya ? tata bahasa siapa, di mana, yang mana ?.Jadi saya sebut Institusi bahasa di dua buah negara ini. Secara pribadi saya tidak menggunakan kata Indon. Tetapi mayoritasnya di M'sia dan S'pore tak bisa "distop" seolah-olah anda " menolak ombak dari memukul pantai" menyuruh " heii jangan kalian bilang kata indon itu menghina namanya!!!" Tidak bisa ...maka itu lebih baik "take it easy" ini ada juga panel entah ke mana- mana hingga ke persoalan siapa lebih besar anu eh ! siapa lebih pintar ? siapa lebih bodoh? segala macam...

#171	monyet	21-May-2007, 02:22 MYT
Aku sokong Roy #169...Islam yg menyatukan kite ,Malaysia dan Indonesia.Kalau semangat nasionalisme yg berlebihan jadila mcm Iraq tu,same2 islam pun gaduh sunah dan syiah,ataupun mcm Hamas dan Fatah di Palestin tu,xpon mcm zaman konfrontasi M'sia-I'nesia dulu.Same bangse tapi berbunuhan sesame sendiri,bodoh tu.Err..tapi mcm konteks pengeboman Bali tu kes lain skit,pakar bom org Malaysia tapi yg pengebom berani mati org Indonesia,atas nama Islam konon,usahasama buat kerje bodoh mcm tu mmg kene laknat tuhan..Aku malas nak gaduh2 bende kecik2 mcm ni,yg aku nak kite bangunkan negare2 masing jgn gaduh2,melanconglah ke negare jiran anda dan kenali mereka,yg Indonesianya sampai kat malaysia jgn buat keje tak senonoh,yg Malaysianya jgn hina atau merendahkan bangsa lain nanti tuhan turun malapetaka baru tau..baru2 ni pi melancong Indonesia,rumah bungalow kat sane besar2 dan mewah lg cantik dr rumah2 kat kl,kos hidup murah mcm best lak duduk kat Indonesia ni..ahaks,nanti nak pi Bali lak.. -salam syg dr Org Malas-

#168	PakDin	17-May-2007, 10:08 MYT
Ok lah make it simple ..the term INDON is used in MALAYSIA. Never across the border. It is still in Malaysia souveriegnity and Malaysian choice and the bottom line is,ts only an acronym. Regarding grammar ? it is nothing wrong with Dewan Bahasa Dan Pustaka Malaysia. We do not oblige to follow Pusat Bahasa Jakarta or Balai Pustaka. We never complain Indonesian pronunciation [Malai sya] in stead of the correct version is [Melay sya]. Come on take it easy

#166	min	13-May-2007, 01:05 MYT
Oh,fairy its gettg worse.Indonesian takes this so seriously,emotionall y.I think u must stop this thread.But sometimes u r right. It is really bring out the beast of ourselves,the ugly dark side of us.Baru2 ni tbace artikel kat Kompas.com, tajuk Nasib TKI di Malaysia,artikelnye quite keras jugakla,and die punye komentar pembaca kat below artikel tu,masyaallah, menyerang Malaysia habis2an,i tak sanggup nak membacanye. Sometimes those media yg mengapikan semangat nasionalisme yg extreme bagaikan Malaysian ni cruel,bad,sombong,op ortunis,yg buruk2 sumer kite la. Sampaikan ade pembaca Indonesia tu tak nak naik KLM Airlines dr Belanda sbb singgah kat Malaysia,tak nak pijak bumi Malaysia,she takes Singapore Airline instead. Media Malaysia tidaklah sekeras tu n no emotionally feeling attached. I love Indonesian people but i hate their media/newspaper yg over reacting.Anyway,i found a lot of beautiful Indonesian people,not physically tp budi pekerti mereka.As u know,I am workg at call center n i found Indonesian are more softer,lemah lembut budi bicaranya.Walaupun bantuan yg diberi x seberapa,tp they really appreciate that,die punye greeting/the way they talk tu menyentuh perasaan operator telefon mcm aku ni. Biasenyer, operator telefon ni org Malaysia sendiri pun pandang hina jugak. Anyway, their tone of voice when talking so soft,org2 Indonesia is actually more nicer than the Malaysian. Org malaysia sometimes more harsh,kasar n xleh sabar.Bukan nak kutuk bangsa sendiri,tp i workg at call center telco n i can describe sifat2 sesuate bangsa tu bile bercakap dgn mereka. For me the term of Indon word is just a piece of huge puzzle for this permasalahan antara Malaysia-Indonesia. Banyak isu2 lain yg masih dlm proses penyelesaian. Biasela marah2 tu tandanya sayang, kite saling bergantung antara satu sama lain.Kuasa Barat suka sangat kite bergaduh sesama sendiri, nanti yg rugi sama2 kite jugak. Malaysia kalau takde TKI mcm ayam mati dlm kepuk beras,habis ekonomi kite. For Indonesian dont take this for granted, malaysia adalah pelabur besar di Indonesia, one-fourth ladang kelapa sawit di indonesia habis kena beli dgn syarikat Malaysia slps pasca krismon dulu, banking, telco, tin company, airlines etc banyak jugakla Malaysia take over. Indonesian government banyak jual harta negara pd pihak asing,thats too bad. mmg betul kate org duit bukan setakat boleh beli org malah boleh beli negara.Ade ura2 dieorang nak jual Garuda Indonesia to pelabur antarabangsa, please dont let it happen. Cukupla, sometimes i sedih dgn apa yg berlaku pada Indonesia. Musibah demi musibah, but semangat dieorang kuat, nasionalisme tinggi n tahan lasak and i believed we Malaysian tak sekuat mereka. I still rmember sebelum krismon,matawang rupiah lagi mahal dr ringgit. Sape2 yg dpt melancong ke Indonesia org kaye mase tu.On that time their economy more powerful than China and ramai org kaye Indonesia tersenarai kat Forbes. Walaupun skrg Indonesia quite terkebelakang sikit,i still respect them n quite kagum jugakla. Ishh..aku merapu2 bab ekonomi pulak. Anyway, Fairy thanx kerna menyediakan article yg superb mcm ni, baru bukak mata kite.Kalau tak ramai sungguh yg buta. If indonesian feel irritated with the term INDON, than maybe this time we need to stop using it (but kalau ikut logiknye INDON fr INDONesia, so nothing to shame about,no spelling error found). Okla,lega rasenye dapat luahan perasaan mcm ni. Fuhh... Thanx, Fairy. Moge2 ramai lagi org2 yg mcm u. p/s: Moyang i dr Sulawesi tau,i love both malaysia n Indonesia

#164	dhwan	11-May-2007, 18:06 MYT
apa la yang hendak digaduhkan... yang pastinya INDON merupakan singakatan daripada Indonesia, orang-orang Indonesia tak perlu terasa, untuk memudahkan sahaja.. Dari segi bahasa tak ada yang berbeza semua orang dinusantara dapat memahami bahasa Melayu bahkan Bahasa Indonesia itu sendiri berasal daripada Bahasa Melayu.

#160	Fairy	3-May-2007, 08:56 MYT
MIN: Thank you for your valueable input! Actually the maid who works for my sister also refers herself as 'Indon.' Oh boy, I can just imagine the barrage of angry comments we'll receive from raising this particular observation. Brace yourself! There was an article about 'Indon' that a friend of mine sent me from Singapore, about Indonesian embassies in Malaysia educating their workers to stop referring themselves as Indon. If you rajin bacalah: Indonesia Sebatas Teman Tapi Mesra To answer your question why Indonesians seem to like going to Singapore, I'd say it's the shopping.

#157	Fairy	1-May-2007, 13:51 MYT
MOE: Your comments are fair enough. Bercakap tentang kamus, sekalianlah kita ungkit kehadiran istilah Korsel di dalam kamus bahasa. Apakah akronim ini ada di dalam kamus cetak untuk bermaksudkan Korea Selatan? Bukan saya nak cari gaduh, saya cuma nak tahu apa Korsel wujud dalam kamus bahasa Indonesia. Sebab setakat ini, saya cuma jumpa perkataan 'korsel' yang bermaksud "merry-go-round." To take from your own words, "Indon" itu merupakan konsep yang sama juga, meskipun bukan sebuah akronim: memudahkan dalam pengucapan, namun tidak mengubah makna dari kata-kata tersebut. Begitulah persepsi orang Malaysia tentang perkataan "Indon" ini.

#155	min	29-Apr-2007, 20:59 MYT
We always have love-hate relationship,biasala laki bini,gaduh2 baik,mcm MALAYSIA-SINGAPORE.. .

#154	Fairy	29-Apr-2007, 02:16 MYT
REI: Welcome to the discussion, I am very happy to hear your positive views!

#152	Fairy	28-Apr-2007, 14:12 MYT
PARDUGEM: Your comments have so far been the most 'masuk akal' and neutral of all in this posting, thanks for sharing. Tujuan sebenar saya menulis artikel ini adalah untuk membuka mata orang Malaysia terhadap persepsi konotasi negatif penggunaan perkataan 'Indon'. Itu saja sebenarnya. Tapi biasalah, orang suka mengkait-kaitkan dengan hal sosial politik sampai dah jadi kelam kabut macam ni. There are times when I feel like pulling the plug on this article because it really brings out the beast in some people, name-calling tak pasal-pasal. But tak apalah. Saya maklumkan sajalah orang punya pendapat berbeza. Cuma saya harap orang akan fikir dulu sebelum menulis sesuatu yang boleh menyinggung perasaan orang lain.

#151	pardugem - Website	27-Apr-2007, 22:55 MYT
IMO penyebab degratory kata "indon" itu bukan kata itu sendiri, tapi apa yang melekat (ter-asosiasi) di kata itu. ada yang minta panggilan indon diubah jadi "indo", lha kalau orang-orang yg disebut indo itu nantinya juga prt, kuli, atau illegal blue-collar workers dan dipanggil "hai indo!" nanti yg lain merasa kata indo jadi ofensif lagi. mesti dirubah lagi? yg lebih penting itu bagaimana mengurangi saudara-saudara kita di indonesia yang kurang beruntung, yang harus pergi meninggalkan keluarga jauh ke negeri orang buat cari makan, full resiko, bukan ahli pula. atau, bagaimana membuat nada sapaan itu berubah, "oh my... you are an indon?? *takjub*". "thank you for sparing your valuable time to visit our country". terasa kan bedanya? caranya kita sendiri lah yang cari ilmu dan usaha. btw. ingat kan kata "bule"? sebenarnya kata itu kan nature-nya kearah degratory, "bulai". tapi banyak tuh yg senang kalo dibilang "kayak bule" . still fairy i appreciate your not wanting to call my sodaras who feel offended by word "indon" for now. for whatever reason

#150	pardugem	27-Apr-2007, 20:56 MYT
keren postingan yg ini fai... buanyak kali comments-nya cuma masih lama pulak hari raya ya, biar pas waktunya bermaapan lah kita semua. "oi budak-budak, ondak kalian pulut, selepas maghorib datang kalian ke rumah yoo.." kata wak ku dulu (Pakdin must be familiar with this ya bang . orang medan dia tu).

#149	Fairy	27-Apr-2007, 16:20 MYT
I'm starting to get some really rude comments in this topic discussion, so I will not approve those based on the mere distastefulness of how these people have decided to voice their opinions. There is simply no room for name calling or rudeness here, please be respectful of each other. Terima kasih.

#148	Fairy	24-Apr-2007, 09:54 MYT
EZZA: You rock! Clap clap clap!

#147	ezza fariza	23-Apr-2007, 22:19 MYT
Cuba anda taip perkataan INDON di Yahoo search engine u will find a lot of that word. Most of it not an insulting meaning. U can found INDON word in Australia, UK or even USA webpages n all of it related to Indonesia. It is just a short form fr Indonesia. The first 5 letters in the word of INDONESIA is INDON. It can be IN, IND, INDO, INDON, IN DONE, INDONES, INDONES I or INDONESIA. Those letter I.N.D.O.N is fr the word of Indonesia. Nothing changed. It doesnt make any sense the INDON words as insulting, degrading, etc to Indonesian. Tapi kok kenapa org Malaysia aja yg dimarahin. Kenapa tidak marah aja pd Amerika, UK, Australi, dsb. U know something, honey, recently Msian government has proposed to build schools for Indonesian children which their parent works in Malaysia Palm plantation in Sabah and Sarawak for 34,000 children. No any government in the world do that for a neighbouring country. We are the first to arrive at Acheh after hit by tsunami for relief effort dan hari ni 23/4/2007 dlm Utusan.com.my Hospital USM kat Kelantan telah menyediakan rawatan percuma kpd lebih 200 pesakit mulut sumbing dr Kepulauan Riau. Bukan nak menunjukkan kami baik atau hebat, we just want to be ur friends. One more thing, honey, I hope one day Indonesia will become a powerful, strong nation in economy, politic, social etc. At least there will be no more Indonesian illegal immigrants. Dah dekat 3-4juta org Indonesia kat sini, mak tak tahan uol...

#146	Fairy	23-Apr-2007, 19:45 MYT
YANTI: Thanks a lot for your positive contribution to the discussion, it was humbly accepted with a gleeful grin from me. I personally do not believe that the term 'Indon' is perceived by Malaysian media as derogatory. If it was, then the term would not find its way into newspaper headlines.

#144	pakdin	21-Apr-2007, 16:02 MYT
PakDin rasa teringin mau campur tangan gara-gara komen # 141 dan #142 gatal jari jemari ini untuk mengetik tapi Adik fai dah cakap "food for taught" I taught well the main issue is [don't call them Indon] now komentar #141 #142 ini nyasar ke mana aja sih ! siapa cerca siapa ?siapa lebih hebat? siapa lebih bodoh? he he he he wuah udah mengambang kaaali kalian bah"( ini bahasa lenggok/cengkok Medan)

#143	Fairy	21-Apr-2007, 12:31 MYT
The discussion here is about the usage of the word Indon and whether it is appropriate in daily conversation and media headlines, not about whether Malaysians think Indonesians are stupid and vice versa. Some folks are really going off tangent here. Indonesia has a lot of smart people. In a country of 220 million, of course there's bound to be a massive number of highly intellects. Yes, we get it! I was recently reminded of how Indonesian media also loves concocting their own shortened versions of country names: I was following closely the Virginia Tech shootings on one particular Indonesian online media. The reporters wrote KORSEL for Korea Selatan (to denote the country of origin of the murderous shooter at VTech). There is not such thing as Korsel! But such terms are widely used and accepted in the Indonesian media. Makanan untuk difikir (Food for thought).

#141	anonymous	18-Apr-2007, 15:29 MYT
Saya pikir memang benar apa yang disampaikan oleh teman saya ini bahwa berdasarkan fakta-fakta berikut : orang Indonesia yang bekerja di Malaysia sekitar 3-4 juta (million) orang, mereka datang ke Malaysia karena di Indonesia mereka TIDAK TERPAKAI. Dari total penduduk Indonesia sekitar 235.000.000 orang sekitar 75 kelas menengah (mid class), 20 kelas atas (high class) dan 5 sisanya adalah kelas bawah (lower class), ini berarti jumlah orang kelas atas (high class yang cuma 20 dari penduduk seluruhnya) yang ada di Indonesia saja sudah jauh melampaui jumlah seluruh orang-orang Malaysia (itupun kenyataan orang Malaysia masih banyak yang miskin). Sekarang ini di salah satu stasiun TV Indonesia (METRO TV) ada sebuah program tentang Malaysia yang secara khusus disponsori oleh Badan Pariwisata Malaysia (Malaysian Tourism Board) yang mempromosikan pariwisata (tourism) di Malaysia, ini berarti bahwa pemerintah Malaysia ingin mengundang turis (pelancong) dari Indonesia. Ini juga berarti bahwa pemerintah (government) Anda menyadari bahwa di Indonesia banyak orang kaya/mampu dan hal itu memang benar, sekedar informasi, turis (pelancong) asing terbanyak di Singapore adalah turis yang berasal dari Indonesia dan ini sangat menguntungkan bagi dunia pa. Jadi salah besar jika Anda menyatakan bahwa Indonesia adalah ”negara miskin”. Tapi saya maklum (understand) mungkin itu karena Anda kurang informasi tentang Indonesia, saya sarankan Anda datang ke Indonesia dan lihat sendiri. Kalau soal seni dan budaya, saya sadar dan bersyukur kepada Tuhan karena Indonesia diberi keragaman budaya (culture diversity) yang menarik, sekedar informasi, Indonesia terdiri dari +/- 16.000 pulau (island) dan mempunyai 500 jenis bahasa. Mungkin inilah yang menyebabkan mengapa banyak turis asing datang ke Indonesia. Belum lagi pengaruh bahasa Indonesia di Malaysia sungguh besar, bayangkan jika orang Indonesia berbicara, pasti orang Malaysia paham maksudnya. Sedangkan coba kalau orang Malaysia berbicara, orang Indonesia akan bingung (sambil bertanya di dalam hati apa maksud kata itu). Boleh dibilang sekarang ini bahasa melayu adalah ”milik Indonesia”, karena banyak diakui dan dipandang di dunia, sedangkan bahasa melayu tak banyak yang tahu dan kenal (karena orang Malaysia pun menganggap bahasa melayu asing). Selain itu banyak juga wajah orang Indonesia yang lebih tampan daripada Malaysia, sehingga orang seperti Ariel yang di Indonesia dianggap wajah biasa (pasaran) tetapi di Malaysia begitu dipuja. Makanya saya pun heran bila ada orang Malaysia yang menganggap orang Indonesia lebih bodoh daripada orang Malaysia, ini adalah suatu kekeliruan besar. Coba kalian lihat sejak dahulu banyak orang-orang terkenal di Malaysia yang belajar di Indonesia (malahan terkakhir dari informasi yang dinyatakan PM Malaysia sendiri, Abdullah Badawi, bahwa sekarang ini terdapat kurang lebih 3500 orang Malaysia yang belajar di Indonesia). Tengok juga keberhasilan para pelajar Indonesia di ajang olimpiade sains internasional baik itu fisika (physics), biologi, maupun matematika. Di bidang fisika siapa sangka negara yang katanya bodoh dan miskin bisa menjadi juara dunia (bahkan berhasil merebut ”absolute winner” mengalahkan negara yang katanya dianggap lebih maju dan kaya seperti USA, UK, China, tuan rumah Singapore-apalagi Malaysia yang boleh dibilang tak berjaya sedikitpun. Boleh dibilang otak orang Indonesia itu yang terpintar di dunia, karena coba kita bayangkan di Indonesia sendiri yang namanya fasilitas pendidikan tidaklah sebagus di negara-negara maju (dengan Malaysia pun kalah), banyak gedung sekolah di Indonesia yang rusak, banyak yang kesulitan dengan biaya pendidikan, tetapi nyatanya itu bukanlah menjadi penghalang untuk berprestasi dan menorehkan hasil seperti contohnya tadi berhasil menjuarai olimpiade fisika internasional. Juga boleh dibilang di mata internasional posisi Indonesia cukup disegani (sebagai penduduk berjumlah terbesar ke-4 di dunia) apalagi di mata negara-negara Islam maupun ASEAN-apalagi negara serumpun (penduduk Islam terbesar di dunia). Selain itu jiwa patriotik orang di Indonesia juga sangat besar (sampai dulu ketika ada kasus ambalat antara Indonesia-Malaysia, banyak orang Indonesia (tanpa disuruh) yang menyatakan siap mengorbankan dirinya untuk bangsa dan tanah air Indonesia dengan mendaftarkan diri menjadi sukarelawan pejuang jika seandainya terjadi perang dengan Malaysia). Bukan hanya itu saja, bahkan Australia pun ditantang untuk berkonfrontasi jika mereka berani menganggu kedaulatan Indonesia. Oleh karena itu, saya cuma berharap agar kita semua membuka mata terhadap negara lain, janganlah menghinanya. Bagaimanapun Indonesia sangat menghargai negara lain. Sungguh indahnya kita hidup tanpa saling menghina dan mencibir. Sekian dari saya.

#139	M. Arsyad	14-Apr-2007, 15:10 MYT
Assalamualaikum Alamak... Hot banget la tampaknya comment2 yang masuk kat article ne..... Klo dibaca2 comment2 yg masuk kok gw nya jd pusing ya??? Suerr deh... Anyway.. I'm Indonesians, gw baru tau klo indon, indo, indonesia.. udah beda banget ya artinya..?! I have no idea. Menurut gw, terserah la orang mau manggil gw apa yang jelas kita sama2 makluk ciptaan ALLAH dan umat rasulullah Muhammad SAW. Gw gak mau ambil pusing. And to all fellow Indonesians : Calm down guys... Gak penting banget la issue nie di persoalkan.. In my opinion, Malaysians tu actually have no intension to insult us by using this word. It's just shortened word. There's nothing to it. I have a lot of malaysian friends at my campus in medical faculty of unand padang.. di angkatan gw tu 1/3 mahasiswanya berasal dari malaysia, There's approximately 50s exchange students from malaysia. They all nice. Fine2 aja kok. Gak pernah tu kami debatin hal ini. Masak iya si, kita sampe bertengkar gara2 suatu hal sepele macam ini.. GaK bAngEt La..... tAkE ez Bro Wassalamu'alaikum

#138	Fairy	13-Apr-2007, 11:49 MYT
PAK DIN: Betoi, dah tak larat nak mendebat hehe. "Biaq pilah" (let it be) as us Notherners would say. Ini adalah artikel saya yang paling melelahkan dari segi pemikiran. Tapi biaq pi. And yes, the term inferiority complex is correct. Thank you for your salam takziah. I think of her everyday.

#137	pakdin	12-Apr-2007, 14:24 MYT
lama dah tak drop by myindo ada pulak yang emosional. . By the way Fai tq for mentioning my name. I would not eleborate more to the recent emotional KLARIFI.... comment just because he spent sometimes in Malaysia. No matter how good your explanation will be those who suffer "inferiority complex" (betui kah istilah ni paper psikology I dulu dapat B- saja) will remain as he or she is. Ignore it ! oh my late condolonce to u...

#136	Fairy	11-Apr-2007, 01:34 MYT
I pondered long and hard before approving "KLARIFIKASI's" comments because it was riddled with such high emotions that I was afraid it'd trigger even hotter response. But what the heck, the guy put in so much effort, eh? Let the fellow talk and pour his heart out. Anyway, it's disheartening to read some of the comments being posted here, especially by Indonesians who have lived in Malaysia for a while and feel that Malaysians in general are ridiculing them by using the word "Indon." The sensitivity with regards to this word is truly mind-boggling. Membingungkan. However I will continue to stress that most Malaysians mean NO harm with the word 'Indon.' Honestly. If you don't believe me then there's no use even me telling you my thoughts about it. But for the fellow Indonesians (like Potatohead) and Malaysians (like Pak Din) who are great sports at discussing about the 'Indon' phenomenon with jovial lightheartedness, I thank you sincerely. Terima kasih!

#134	jimmy	4-Apr-2007, 14:37 MYT
soal bakar2 bendera jgn sama-sekali di sebut-sebut disini!! gue jadi panas mendengarnya!!!

#133	Potatohead	30-Mar-2007, 06:13 MYT
kalau orang malaysia bilang orang indonesia dgn sebutan indon... apakah orang indonesia harus memanggil orang malaysia dgn sebutan malas??? hehehe.. __tentu tidak__... that wont solve the problem... ya kalau memang kata itu sudah "muncul" dan beredar, it is not easy to change that. yang ada sekarang mulai lah dari diri sendiri.. kalau tidak mau bangsanya dilecehkan atau direndahkan janganlah mulai untuk merendahkan atau melecehkan... and buat orang indo... hehehe... buang deh tuh kata "bule", "cokin", de el el gw aja muak dengernya... untuk masalah bakar bendera... itu semua saya rasa ada "pihak" dibalik itu. cuma segelintir orang dari 250 juta lebih penduduk aja kok yg ikut2... hehehhe gak semua... dan saya rasa juga tidak semua orang Malaysia memanggil orang indonesian "indon" atau menganggap remeh org indonesia. jadi sekarang harus gimana? hehehe indonesia baru saja terbangun dari hipnotis rezim soeharto... indonesia mulai membangun harapan... walau dihadang banyak bencana. 20 tahun ke depan saya rasa waktu yg sangat lebih dari cukup bagi indonesia untuk bangkit... buat orang indonesia... kalau tidak mau diremehin... buktiin dong... sekolah yg bener, kuliah yg bener.. kerja yg bener... ok try to respect others.... and we will livin in a better world... peace... by the way... ada beberapa teman orang malaysia ditempat saya. asik2 aja kok...

#131	pak din	28-Feb-2007, 16:25 MYT
dah le tu... Pak Su. Gini sajalah Pak Su lah yang saya saran/cadang untuk menyatukan bahasa Malaysia dan Indonesia

#127	ungke	9-Nov-2006, 12:24 MYT
PakDin, Setuju, setuju, setuju, setuju........ Btw, saya orang Manado bukan orang Medan Kamu sudah pernah dengar logat / bahasa Manado???? Kalau belum nanti saya ajarin deh...... I'm sleepy sleepy sleepy

#126	PakDin	7-Nov-2006, 15:59 MYT
Ungke sebetulnya debat itu wuenak buanget..biar encer otak gw yang lagi beku ini ntar kalo di Minang dibikin gulei cuman harus sadar tidak terlalu hyper sensitif saya orangnya yang suka kasih respon yang konstruktif ...achh suudahku bilang aku setuju aja sama kau lae! (baca dialek Medan)kita kan manusia biasa gak ada yang sempoerna kecuali "merek rokok yang satu itu" ok biar pigi aku dulu yah HORAS bah ama kau!

#125	ungke	6-Nov-2006, 12:04 MYT
wah, perdebatan terus berlanjut! kalau dibaca semua komen yang ada, kenapa saya jadi pusing ya? saran saya perbedaan bahasa tidak perlu diperdebatkan, mari kita belajar saling menghargai dan menghormati setiap perbedaan yang ada. Kalau orang Indonesia tidak suka dipanggil Indon so, please don't call us Indon. Kalau orang Malaysia tidak suka dipanggil Malay then we shall not call them Malay or Melayu. sebagai contoh yang baik, kami di Indonesia memiliki lebih dari 300 bahasa yang berbeda satu sama lain sehingga kami selalu mendapai banyak sekali perbedaan makna dari bahasa yang kami gunakan meskipun kami sama-sama orang Indonesia. Untuk menghidari kesalah-pahaman saya tidak akan menggunakan kata-kata yang berkonotasi negatif jika saya pergi ke suatu daerah meskipun kata tersebut bagi saya tidak memiliki konotasi buruk. I'm sleepy, sleepy, sleepy

#124	wara ambartika	1-Nov-2006, 21:07 MYT

#121	PakDin	13-Oct-2006, 14:50 MYT
hehehe this group 29---ke ataih. from Sub Urb. Yours (Indonesian contact ) I believe from urban middle-high class group. From thier verbal language mostly "Jakarte" accent, slang and vocab would not be in this group. Eh eh I never hate Indonesia "tempat jatuh lagi dikenang inikan pula tempat belajar" perkataan 'gob@3^*k' itu pun pada mulanya saya sangsi sama ada Fairy will edit it he he ok no hurt feeling right Fai. What say you?

#119	Fairy	13-Oct-2006, 12:04 MYT
PAKDIN: Kumpulan yang menyakat ttg rumah sakit korban lelaki tu seusia mana age group depa? Tua? Muda?

#118	PakDin	13-Oct-2006, 09:54 MYT
Yes Fairy, I never hate Indonesia. Me emotional? no I am not. biasalah Fairy . Dikarenakan mereka menggunakan bahasa Indonesia yang baik dan benar saya juga akan berbuat hal yang sama.Saya hanya mengutarakan pandangan saya. Untuk Yth Bapak Abdullah saya ungkit sejarah Indonesia? Tidak! itu saya ambil dari buku yang saya baca karya Tg.Luckman Sinar SH. Beliau juga tiada kena mengena dengan Malaysia tetapi banyak membicarakan Malaysia.(secara akademik) Yth Mijn_bedoel lelucon silam ya? 18 Februari 2006 lalu saya di Medan,Indonesia, seminar. Rekan pemakalah saya, Prof Ajid Che Kob UPM Malaysia sedang membentangkan makalahnya tiba-tiba ada sekelompok dari Indonesia dengan penuh karisma dan senyum sinis bertanya "kenapa Malaysia masih pake rumah sakit korban lelaki?" jadi kalau beberapa bulan yang lalu itu kisah silam oklah kita anggap saja ia "badai yang pasti berlalu" Yaa ..namanya juga lelucon barangkali juga kewujudan Malaysia dan bahasanya hanya suatu lelucon untuk mijn-bedoel.

#117	Fairy	13-Oct-2006, 06:45 MYT
I don't think Pak Din hates Indonesia, saya rasa dia hanya memberi his side of the story of how Indonesians view Malaysia dari pergaulan waktu jaman kuliahnya. In my humble opinion, I do agree that Indonesians have a rather eccentric sense of humour. Humour is humour lah, depends how well you digest it and what country you're in. However I do somewhat agree with Bedoel bahawa lelucon2 yang dipertengahkan oleh Pak Din itu sudah outdated. For example I don't hear kids these days refer to it, maybe older generation lah (those born in the 1970s and beyond). Pak Din's harmless lah guys, pointless to take him too seriously as orang Malaysia ni pun suka menyakat, all in good fun and dialogue. Betul tak Pak Din?

#116	Abdullah	12-Oct-2006, 20:42 MYT
Saran saya untuk PakDin: Kalau memang ada sesuatu yang mengganjal berkenaan dengan issue antara Indonesia dan Malaysia, kita bisa sharing di sini. Kita pecahkan masalah ini bersama-sama. Berbeda pendapat itu wajar-wajar saja, tapi kita jangan termakan emosi, apalagi berbicara kasar. Hati boleh panas tetapi isi kepala harus tetap dingin, sehingga kita tidak gampang emosi. Satu lagi pesan saya untuk PakDin, jangan sekali-kali mengungkit-ungkit peristiwa politik yang pernah terjadi di Indonesia yang tidak ada kaitannya dengan Malaysia. Itu sangat tidak etis. Biarlah itu menjadi sejarah Indonesia dan itu memang menjadi urusan pemerintah Indonesia. Semoga PakDin semakin bijak setelah membaca tulisan ini

#115	mijn_bedoel	12-Oct-2006, 16:58 MYT
Setelah membaca comments PakDin di berbagai artikel di MyIndo, nampaknya PakDin ini seorang yang emosional sekali. Dia begitu membenci semua yang berbau Indonesia, meskipun dia seorang alumni Indonesia. Ketahuilah bahwa 'rumah sakit korban lelaki', 'menteri semak belukar', 'setubuhi bumi', dan lain-lainnya adalah lelucon yang sudah usang bagi orang-orang muda di Indonesia. Kami - orang muda - di Indonesia hampir tidak pernah mendengar kata-kata tsb pada saat ini. Dan kami juga tidak begitu saja mempercayai bahwa kata-kata tsb digunakan di Malaysia. Kami bukan generasi yang gampang percaya begitu saja. Lagi pula kami tidak tertarik dengan lelucon tsb. Mungkin itu hanya perasaan sentimental dari PakDin yang selalu terbawa ke masa lalu. Setelah surfing di blog PakDin di Multiply, nampaknya PakDin tahu bagaimana caranya harus menulis sesuatu sesuai dengan kode etik jurnalistik. Rasanya tidak pantas kalau PakDin memakai kata 'goblok' di website yang bukan milik PakDin. Terlebih-lebih website ini milik miss Fairy yang dibaca oleh orang Indonesia dan Malaysia. Segitu aja ya... Jangan tersinggung

#114	Fairy	10-Oct-2006, 11:36 MYT
PAKDIN: Thanks for completing that pantun, for a minute there I was left in the dark heh. Just to comment on HUBERTUS's posting, I do not intend to close this discussion - it's interesting to see what people have to say about the topic. But really, the whole point of this article was to articulate to Malaysians about the potential offence of the word 'Indon' and to clarify to Indonesians that Malaysians generally do not mean harm when the word is liberally used. I hope those objectives have been met. Tapi truth be told lah, kekadang pening jugak tengok orang going all 'gung-ho' nak meng-argue pasal benda remeh temeh nih. Dah berkali habaq benda tu kita tak mean offence pun depa tak mau percaya. Ikut suka hati lah nak ambik context mana, yang penting saya dah meluahkan isi hati.

#112	cik melati	7-Oct-2006, 23:25 MYT
Saya tak faham kenapa org indonesia terlalu emosional dgn perkatan INDON ,it is just a word ...Kalau gantikan dengan perkataan INDO nanti tidak dapat bezakan INDO-CHINA (Vietnam,Cambodia n Laos) atau INDO-NESIA.INDO? Indo yang mana?

#110	PakDin	5-Oct-2006, 12:07 MYT
Yth. Hubertus. saya kira anda orang yang sentimental. MyIndo memang telah ada pada landasannya. Ok jika fihak Yth. Hubertus dan Yth seluruh Indonesia marah dengan kata Indon secara Individu dipahami kita tidak akan menyinggung anda lagi. Ini kan press anda juga yang memperjuangkan kebebasan press, reformasi segala macam tak mungkin kami para individu mau memaksakan EYD (Ejaan Yang Disempurnakan) Indonesia terhadap press Malaysia...ini logikanya...saya setuju dengan Yth Bpk Hubertus jangan kita perpanjang lagi isu ini...tapi jangan sepihak dong ! Yth Bapak Hubertus juga harus bisa menghapuskan pelecehan bahasa Melayu "rumah sakit korban lelaki" yang sentiasa dinyanyikan oleh Yth orang Indonesia kepada warga Malaysia. Bisa kagak? Ok peace...

#108	PakDin	4-Oct-2006, 16:23 MYT
yes dear Fai tq I'll be waiting for this to discuss for this mythical phrases...with penmanship skill that you had it will help, at least it will sound more diplomatic than my kind of writting..huh....Oh ya Ive been following this myindo since 2005 la ni baru la nak ikut serta he he PakDin

#107	tis	4-Oct-2006, 14:40 MYT
hi.... ya la kak fairy... do comment on rumah sakit korban lelaki.. sy pun hairan knpa org indo kata macm tu.... sy baru tau pasl ni bila ada teman indo sy tanya mmg ada ke rumah sakit korban lelaki tu? pelik2...kita kan panggil hospital bersalin... lagi satu teman sy tu blng : soal indon itu ngak harus dipermasalahkan....y akan? ya udah...kita stop manggil indon....kita panggil "indo"...tapikan utk buang kebiasaan org malaysia manggil indon kan susah..so org2 indo semua....maafkn org malaysia ya...hehe... sama jg dgn org indo yg manggil kami MALES...ato mo ganyang malaysia...kan tak baik tu...kita kan serumpun...tapi org indonesia lebih punya semangt juang yg tinggi ya tuk perang dgn malaysia..MALAYSIA LUV PEACE!!! Hidup malaysia...+ indonesia...(serumpu n, semelayu, seagama, sesaudara.......)

#106	Fairy	4-Oct-2006, 12:39 MYT
PAKDIN: Truth be told I have always wanted to do a writeup on the mythical concept of 'rumah sakit korban lelaki,' I started collecting some feedback dulu but never got around it. It's amazing how many Indonesians actually believe that it actually exists! UNGKE: That's interesting that the word Melayu has a negative connotation in Indonesia. Why is that? To most people here it's just a name of a race. You may email me if you wish at fairy [at] mahdzan [dot] com

#104	PakDin	29-Sep-2006, 12:23 MYT
Indon dirasakan mengejek, pelecehan terhadap sesetangah orang Indonesia. Sebenarnya tiada apa-apa di pihak kita hanyalah sebuah akronim bukan maksud mengejek. Sebenarnyalah orang Indonesai telah lama berkurun telah mengejek bahasa kita hal-hal seperti : -Menteri semak belukar (menteri kehutanan Malaysia sedang tidak ada menteri yang demikan di Malaysia) -rumah sakit korban lelaki (di Malaysia Hospital bersalin) -bersetubuh dangan bumi (pumping-push up) -hentak-hentak bumi (statik march) Nah merekalah orang yangs ering mnengejek' membuat pelecehan kepada bahasa Melayu yang kita gunakan. Tak lain kerana sentimen revolusi sosial kejatuhan penubuhan negara Melayu kesatuan sematera Timur.(bacalah karya Tengku Luckman Sinar sejarah Deli Medan Indonesia) kalau tidak tanyalah kepada Prof Mahdzan ayah mu... Indonesialah bangsa yang suka mengejek dan memperleceh Melayu.

#103	Fairy	27-Sep-2006, 12:18 MYT
UNGKE: When I was learning the ropes around Bahasa Indonesia I found it strange that budak meant slave! Hamba is slave in Bahasa Malaysia. Also, when referring to friends sometimes Malays like to use 'kengkawan' (kawan-kawan).

#99	Fairy	18-Sep-2006, 20:44 MYT
UNGKE: Bebudak is short for "budak-budak", usually referring to kids ("anak-anak"), or sometimes you can use it to refer to your friends, spt juga penggunaan "anak-anak" dalam konteks bahasa Indonesia untuk bermaksudkan teman-teman. Contoh: Indonesia: Anak-anak pada mau ke mana? Malaysia: Bebudak sumer (semua) nak ke mana?

#96	dinda77	3-Aug-2006, 22:47 MYT
funny thing is everytime I talk to TKI here in Malaysia..they always refer themself as Indon. Me : "Mbak asalnya dari mana?" TKI : "Saya orang Indon" TKI : "kalo situ?" Me : "oh..saya orang Indonesia.." TKI : "samalah" Me : "gak sama mbak, mbak orang Indon, saya orang Indonesia.. TKI: "huh?" I never really address myself as Indon, or Indo for that matter, simply because..my country is Indonesia, I was born in Indonesia, thus I am Indonesian.. just add an -an. easy! If I say I am Indon, guess my Country will be what? Ind..? sorry..never heard for such country exist.. love your articles though...all of them.

#95	indieshare	20-Jul-2006, 01:16 MYT
Gue pake bahasa apa ya? Indo apa Malay ya? gue campur aduk aja deh... Menurut aku sih... bahasa malaysia dan indonesia itu macam inggeris dan amerika syarikat.. Malaysia tu macam Inggris (sama-sama kerajaan) dan Indonesia tu macam Amerika Syarikat (sama-sama negara besar dan sama-sama demokrasi) walaupun akar dari bahasa amerika itu ialah bahasa inggeris, walau bahasa inggeris berkembang tapi tak macam amerika lah... inggeris lebih kaku, tak fleksibel dan memakai logat yang sangat kental inggeris. Tapi kalau bahasa amerika tu... cepat berkembang sehingga ada beberapa bahasa amerika yang diserap oleh orang inggeris kerana lebih elok dan sedap didengar... Nah macam tu lah... dalam kes ini, bahasa ibunda indonesia ni memang bahasa melayu tapi kerana berkembang cepat sangatlah, ianya meninggalkan bahasa ibundanya yang masih dipakai di malaysia dan sebagian daerah kat indonesia ni... tapi sememangnya benda ni tetap berbeza di kedua negara... bahasa malaysia masih pekat ngan bahasa melayu yang rigid, tak fleksibel dan kurang berkembang... (why? ini menurutku... korang lebih suka pakai bahasa inggeris dalam kehidupan sehari-hari kot, bahkan bahasa malaysia menjadi bahasa kedua setelah inggeris) dan beberapa kata-kata yang "cool" dari indonesia diserap oleh malaysia... so kalau ada yang berbeza, ya tak payahlah... tak usah marah... lebih baik yang indonesia minum teh botol dan yang malaysia minum teh tarik... hehehe... tariiik maang!!! (btw ini ngomongin bahasa atau ngomongin istilah indon ya? ) Terserahlah... kau nak panggil kami indon, indo, indonesia, american, jepun, mars, pluto... tapi tetap aja aku Hamba Allah... (lha? kagak nyambung...) tapi lebih baik "indon" jangan korang pakai kalau ada kami... kinda weird to us... apalagi jika korang nak berborak ngan aku, trus korang tanya aku: "hey, kau orang indon ye?", pasti aku jawab: "mboten... kulo niki wong indonesia..., lha kepriwe... takon maning... takon maning... bah... mosok ora krungu tekan bosone? aya naon atuh... emangnye ade ape tong? jangko begitu... " dan jangan dipakai di media jugak.. kerana bahasa media tu (seharusnya) memakai bahasa formal. tak senang memang kalau nak rubah... tapi korang boleh cuba? sebagai permulaan korang boleh taip macam ni: "indon(esia)") lalu sikit-sikit korang rubah jadi indonesia, tapi kalo korang tak boleh tahan... ya udah deh... gapapa tuh... duh... kayaknya tulisan gue "ngga banget" deh... kagak ada solusinya...

#94	kusho	15-Jul-2006, 01:38 MYT
i have an idea..how about if Indonesia dan Malaysia bersatu. Entahlah saya berkeyakinan suatu saat akan ada kekuatan untuk menyatukan kita.

#91	Adhimas	5-Jul-2006, 18:08 MYT
Mudah-mudahan aku juga nggak salah ketik verification code-nya

#90	Fairy - Website	5-Jul-2006, 17:43 MYT
Sorry, saya salah type. Maksud saya, orang Malaysia TIDAK ada niat untuk melecehkan orang Indonesia dengan perkataan 'Indon.' Saya sudah betulkan kalimat saya yang salah. Come on lah, we don't gain anything from insulting Indonesians. Buat apa?

#88	Fairy	4-Jul-2006, 20:18 MYT
Ketahuilah juga bahawa kebanyakan orang Malaysia TIDAK ada niat untuk melecehkan orang Indonesia dengan penggunaan kata "Indon," cuma it's shorter to say Indon than Indonesian. Itu adalah salah satu point utama saya di artikel ini. I don't think we're aneh, just different. Indonesia menurut saya aneh juga, but I appreciate the differences.

#86	Fairy - Website	3-Jul-2006, 09:49 MYT
The debate continues!

#85	Adhimas	2-Jul-2006, 19:26 MYT
Kalau menurut aku sih, bahasa Malaysia boleh berbeda dengan bahasa Indonesia, seperti yang diucapkan oleh EELIAS (no.57), meskipun pada awalnya bahasa tersebut adalah satu rumpun. Tapi seiring dengan berjalannya waktu bahasa Indonesia mengalami banyak perkembangan sama seperti halnya bahasa Malaysia. Itu tidak bisa dipungkiri bahwa bahasa Indonesia menyerap bahasa asing (Inggris, Belanda, Arab, dan Cina) dan juga bahasa-bahasa daerah di Indonesia. Apakah orang Malaysia bisa memungkiri bahwa kata IMIGRESEN, STESYEN, POLIS, MODEN(etc) bukan berasal dari bahasa Inggris? Kami pun di Indonesia tidak memungkiri bahwa kata IMIGRASI, STASIUN, POLISI, MODERN(etc) berasal dari bahasa Belanda. Jadi tidak benar kalau hanya bahasa Indonesia yang menyerap bahasa asing (Inggris). Malaysia pun banyak sekali menyerap kata-kata dari bahasa tersebut. Bahasa Indonesia dan bahasa Malaysia memang pada dasarnya satu rumpun, tapi latar belakang sejarahlah yang membuat kedua bahasa tsb berbeda. Kami pun di Indonesia belajar untuk bisa memahami bahasa Malaysia. Dan kami tidak akan menggunakan kata-kata tsb sewaktu berbicara dengan orang Malaysia. Contohnya : Ibu pejabat (BM) = Wanita yang memiliki jabatan sebagai karir (BI) Ibu pejabat (BM) = Kantor pusat (BI) = Head office (B Ing) Aku (BI) digunakan hanya kepada lawan bicara yang seusia, lebih muda, atau yang sudah akrab (meskipun ia lebih tua). Saya (BI) hanya digunakan kepada yang lebih tua, atau belum kenal, dan juga untuk situasi formal. Aku harap EELIAS mengerti perbedaan dan penggunaan AKU dan SAYA dalam bahasa Indonesia. Jangan membuat rancu. Perbedaan bahasa untuk dipelajari, bukan untuk didebat Tidak benar bahwa kami orang Indonesia menganggap suku melayu adalah suku yang banyak mengalami ketinggalan dalam banyak segi. Mungkin EELIAS perlu banyak membaca sejarah Indonesia, bahwa banyak dari suku melayu di Indonesia adalah Tokoh pemikir yang disegani karena keilmuannya. Contoh yang paling mudah untuk diketahui adalah : Haji Agus Salim dan juga Mohammad Hatta. Kedua tokoh tsb adalah tokoh politik dan pemikir di Indonesia yang membawa Indonesia menuju kemerdekaan. Nah, kalau perkataan Indonesia, kami meminta supaya kalian orang Malaysia menyebut Indonesia dengan lengkap, sama seperti halnya kami menyebut Malaysia dengan lengkap, tidak disingkat-singkat. Maukah kalian kalau kami panggil Malay, Mlokay, Malas, atau apalah...! Tentu tidak bukan? Sebutan Indonesia adalah suatu keputusan bulat (sudah final). Karena Indonesia adalah suatu nama yang menyangkut identitas, sejarah, perjuangan, dan kebanggaan. Mungkin EELIAS tidak pernah tahu bahwa dimasa lampau Indonesia pernah memakai nama NUSANTARA, yaitu nama lain dari Indonesia yang artinya adalah kepulauan atau gugusan pulau yang saling berhubungan satu dengan yang lain. Tapi nama tersebut akhirnya diserap menjadi bahasa Malaysia juga. Kami menerimanya. Aku harap EELIAS tidak perlu provokasi disini. Sudahlah, kami sudah banyak diperlakukan tidak adil oleh orang Malaysia. Sekali lagi, perbedaan bahasa untuk dipelajari dan dimengerti, bulan untuk saling mencerca. Pahamkah EELIAS?

#84	ichals - Website	2-Jul-2006, 17:48 MYT
Gue heran banget deh.. sebenernya mudah banget, sudah tau kalau org indonesia gak suka dipanggil indon, ya udah STOP panggil mereka "indon" selesai kan masalahnya? kenapa seh masih juga mau cari pembenarannya? ayoo pikirin deh? atau emang susah banget yah nyebutin nama indonesia secara lengkap? gue bantuin deh cara mengeja yg benar nya gini: in-do-ne-si-a. Untuk Pers dan Media Malaysia juga berperan penting, mereka yg selama ini mengajarkan rakyat malaysia untuk menggunakan sebutan "indon" dan ini sudah berlangsung sangat lama, gue ngerti.. akan sangat sulit untuk merubah kebiasaan yg sudah ada. Tinggal buat org2 malaysia yg berpendidikan, coba deh mulai dari individu masing2, gak susah kok meninggalkan istilah "indon" Saya tahu, org malaysia gak semuanya bermaksud buruk dengan perkataan "indon" bahkan mereka sama sekali tidak mengerti kalau org indonesia tidak suka dipanggil "indon". So, buat yg dah ngerti aja deh.. Pls don't call us "indon". mudah2an dengan demikian bisa memperkecil segala perbedaan pendapat yg ada. Peace dong akhh.. bini gue juga org malaysia kok.. jd gak perlu lah kita saling menjelek2an, di dunia ini gak ada bangsa yg sempurna, semuanya punya kekurangan dan kelebihan. Sorry kalau ada yg gak sependapat sm gue... PEACE!!!! Thread yg sama: Link

#81	maroonia	28-Apr-2006, 12:04 MYT
hey orang2 indonesia, gak usah ribut2 gitu dong! disebut 'indon' aja kok marah...malu tuh sama negara tetangga sendiri yg gak pernah ribut! memangnya apa sih arti sebuah nama? gue aja sebagai orang indonesia gak pernah marah kalo orang malaysia or negara lain manggil kita 'indon, indo, indones, indie, indomie or whatever...' lagipula itu memang cara mereka manggil kita, that's how the way it is!! suka-suka mereka dong salam negeri serumpun!

#73	Fairy	26-Oct-2005, 15:59 MYT
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#71	joni - Website	21-Oct-2005, 18:10 MYT
Assalamualaikum..and selamat buat semua....aku nih orang malaysia yang bekerja di indonesia.....aku umur 29...dari mula aku kenal perkataan indon...masa aku kecil lagi....aku tidak pernah tahu itu perkataan yang menghina...aku tahu indon itu sebutan short cut untuk orang indonesia....i think majority orang malaysia pun fikir begitu...in-fact kawan aku ramai yang suka ngan artis indon seperti so7, peterpan dan lain-lain..malah mereka tergila-gilakan...so aku rasa no big deal....untuk indonesian..aku harap kamu semua jgn cepet prasangka....aku sendiri memang panggil org indonesia indon..dan aku suka sangat dgn indonesia...sampai sanggup kerja kat indonesia...meningga lkan family.....sebab org indonesia nih banyak yang baik... cuman agak emosional....

#68	dona	12-Oct-2005, 23:46 MYT
It's not about it's nice to hear or not. Still, I don't like to be address as "indon". I understand the word "indon" has been used widely by the media to address Indonesia as a short form. BUT originally the "indon" really came from the thoughts of malaysians who want to dicriminate the Indonesians. Please don't talk about how it is used now or how the Indonesians should react if they were called "indon", just admit it that the word "Indon" originally exists to insult. Okay. I'm not mad. It's just what I'm thinking. Frankly I dont hate Malaysians okay. My mum is a Malaysian, I'm an Indonesian but grew up in a more malay circumstance. I know how my cousins used and are still using the word "indon" to insult. Not only my cousin la, but the whole nations do know the answer why the word is used. So please dont twist the excuse. It's been more offensive when I found that the media use the word, too. But I do really agree what Fairy said "Let us start by properly calling Indonesians 'Indonesians". Because we are Indonesians, not Indons.

#66	Calvin Sidjaja - Website	10-Oct-2005, 23:00 MYT
Well, honestly I think "Indon" sounds offensive to refer us, Indonesians, even though maybe Malaysians themselves don't mean it in first place. It's just semantic problem which should be bridged, otherwise it might causes miscommunication between Indonesians and Malaysians. Honestly it's as offensive as the Chinese-born people called "Chinese" here (I couldn't help to think the term "Chinese" rude, really, though sometimes I use them to joke to my Chinese friends when talking about greediness). Are Malaysian also feel offended when they are called Malays? Being honest, I always call Malaysian like that, without purpose of being rude or disrespecting Malaysians. Btw nice blog you got here, hope you visit mine too. Good day.

#61	Fairy	27-Sep-2005, 13:05 MYT
MAT ALI: As requested. BTW, is that really your email address? What an odd choice for a username.

#58	siLia - Website	24-Sep-2005, 03:08 MYT
wow what an intresting article and research! Personally and maybe the rest of indonesian wud prefer to be called as INDO instead INDON, coz it's just sound nicer and right, for me Indon is just a wrong Abbreviation yet it sounds racist coz most of time it become a headline in newspaper as the TKIs get in trouble u rilli makes the rest of malaysian or even the world realize that even one word cud make a very diff meanings

#52	Takeshi(ssj) - Website	31-Jul-2005, 22:01 MYT
i do agree with u. shouldn't go for silly EGO. some idiot japanese man call them NESIAN.. y don't they call indonesian? is that too difficult to pronounce? haha sorry for too late responce... cuz i just knew ur blog

#48	Fairy	16-Jul-2005, 12:17 MYT
Hi Fright Lever! I am pleased to receive a point of view from a non-Indonesian/Malay sian regarding the usage of racist name-calling. I had no idea the term 'Brit' was supposed to be offensive in nature! I suppose if it were offensive to any Englishman it'd be for the same reason an Indonesian would feel pissed off for being called 'Indon' or even the Pakitanis when people call them 'Paki!'

#46	Fairy	7-May-2005, 00:37 MYT
NINTA: Biasalah, kisah2 rags-to-riches itu kan laku keras... hehe.

#42	Fairy	18-Apr-2005, 01:52 MYT
Anggara, thank you for your comments, I don't expect you nor anyone to take any interest in my country, not unless you don't want to. It's entirely your decision which I respect of course. But I will also say that Indonesian media is highly skewed when reporting news, inspiring all sorts of extreme sentiments in the people of Indonesia (e.g. the Ambalat case, wheras the issue here in MY is not as heatly debated). It is perhaps of this unfortunate circumstance with Indo media that you have such a poorly formed opinion about my country. It would help to read from all types of media, not just Indonesian ones.

#41	anggara	17-Apr-2005, 07:20 MYT
Thanks to Fairy for this article, though as an Indonesian I never care about it... I mean, maybe just because I never pay any attention to Malaysia.. no offense, just my ignorance... but I do still remember during your great Mahathir administration that I once admired your country so much compared to our Suharto regime... recent years, busy with our internal problems after "reformasi", most Indonesians dont give so much thought on Malaysia... We just commence to pay attention again very recently..but too bad that that admiration fades away along with several TKI, illegal logging, and the recent Ambalat cases... for me, you can call us Indon or what ever you want.. it's up to you... and for me again, personally I dont really care... I dont need to have any Malaysian friend.. no need to learn something from your country, no need to work there, no need to have a vacation there (actually I canceled it after my respect disappear)... and I suggest it to all my Indonesian fellows... dont pay too much attention to the word "Indon"... it means nothing... and no need to give any shit to Malaysians, let them do what ever they want, it's their own country... Think BIG, Indonesians, dont think small, brothers.. it's a small country, piece of cake, no need to pay much attention to.. just doing our homework.. go to USA, go to Europe, and bring back all knowledge home, we need it... To Fairy, I thank you so much for your interests in our country, I really appreciate it... unfortunately I don't have the same interests in yours, maybe oneday if you all have been a good neighbor, then we, Indonesians and Malaysians, can act as brothers or sisters, but till that day come I myself prefer to participate in my own country development than wondering about what Malaysians think about us...

#40	Fairy	6-Apr-2005, 10:15 MYT
Hey JAF thanks for dropping by. I wholeheartedly agree with your statement, but I'm also the diplomatic type. If someone doesn't like something for whatever reason, I try to not repeat the offense. But that's just me.

#38	Fairy	5-Apr-2005, 00:13 MYT
Oh boy, semakin hostile adalah, topik ni! I like this one 'rileks' view by Jaf on the 'indon' word. Very positive attitude that we can only dream to emulate. http://jafs.blogspot.com/2005/01/indon.html

#36	Fairy	28-Mar-2005, 16:04 MYT
AIRIL: Terima kasih sekali lagi untuk komen anda yang sangat Bernas! I received this email a few weeks ago when I first launched this article. The writer was shy to share her comments but I'll paste it here anyway and change her name for anonymity sake. From: AZ Sent: 14 March 2005 04:42 To: Fairy Mahdzan Subject: Re: Is 'Indon' an Offensive Word? Dear Fairy, I wanted to write in your comment box, but afraid that it will us our Indonesian friends. Sadly to say, most Malaysians when refering to Indonesian could only relate them to the illegal immigrants and the TKIs, hence the term used initially, I belivev, really intended to derogate. Its the ignorant part us Malaysian who think that others are always inferior to us. Malaysians always think theyre better than everybody else. We look down on the Indonesians who are desperate to come and look for jobs here and there are hundred thousands of them, and what more where some of the crimes happening are related to the illegal immigrants. How many of us Malaysians can really look at Indonesia far beyond the illegal immigrant issues ? The younger generations are a bit different now that they are beginning to accept and appreciate how good indonesian music groups are. Yes, our fathers generation used to listen to Hetty and Broery but with the issues of the TKI and the immigrants, the perspective have somehow been changed. Most of us never realize how advance some of the technologies in Indonesia are. Even the standard of knowledge of the Indonesians I believe are better than us (as I have experienced in my study tour and during my U days) as you too are aware. The term Indon now should somehow be stopped, especially when the term is used by our newspapers. If the Indonesians feel insulted, I dont blame them. Nice article Fairy. Its a sensitive issue but I'm glad you brought it up. AZ

#35	Airil H	26-Mar-2005, 15:02 MYT
WELL Fairy, saya harap anda akan terus dgn agenda sebegini. Isu provokatif dan sensitif sebenarnya yg harus sama-sama dibincangkan di antara MAS-INA dgn fikiran yang rasional dan terbuka. Kalau dpt kita mencari jalan tengah yg tidak ekstrim maka disitulah bermulanya nanti lembaran baru di antara hubungan Diplomatik dan Sosial kedua negara. Masalahnya mungkin kerana kita semua serumpun, maka 'keras kepalanya' juga serupa ;o) Sama-sama tak mau dilihat sebagai lemah, mungkin? Terima kasih atas inisiatif anda, i do share ur opinion too. Jgnlah dipanggil org MAS = Malas, pastinya org INA pun bukan = Indon. Why can't we have more level headed people in this world? Mungkin krn nanti hidup tak menarik mungkin? ;o) But, pls continue writing, banyak sgt itu yg masih lagi jadi duri dlm daging antara MAS-INA. Tapi percayalah, ada di antara kita yg menjadi warga MAS-INA masih lagi ada rasa "empathy" dan boleh membuka fikiran dgn ikhlas. One final thing, i too criticise things in my country, things i see in Malaysia. BUT i do it bcoz i want things to be better, for my love of my nation. "Yang salah tetap salah, yang benar tetapkan benar" ) Semoga ramai lagi warga Malaysia boleh berpandangan jauh seperti Fairy! Pasti ada di Indonesia yg "world view"nya serupa anda juga, walau pasti bilangan ini masih kecil di MAS & INA ;o( LIVE LONG n PROSPER ;-)

#34	Fairy	26-Mar-2005, 11:58 MYT
LUTFI: I think it's ok to call Bangladeshis Bangla (see Bagas' comments in #18). INDOBANJAR: Bener juga, kalau diliat dari perspektif itu. Tapi sudah tentunya kita tidak mau digelar sebagai orang "Malas." Maka dengan artikel ini saya mengharapkan orang Malaysia sadar diri dan mula memanggil orang Indonesia dengan sebutan yang benar. ICKX: Thank you for the kind comments! Let's hope I put a freeze on the serious stuff soon and write more junk food stuff, ey?

#30	Fairy	21-Mar-2005, 09:32 MYT
The reason why I wrote this article was to create awareness of labels that we sometimes unintentionally slap on people without realizing it, with hopes that we as world citizens (not just Malaysians) will challenge ourselves to be more sensitive towards others. I do realize that the dispute of sovereignty of land area off the coast of Kalimantan (Ambalat) has caused much tension between Malaysia and Indonesia. But let's try and keep the emotions down a bit (you guys have been very good, I'm happy to report I didn't have to delete any single offensive post so far). Although I tend to write a lot about Indonesia I love my country Malaysia to death and will not take anyone putting it down. Believe it or not, I write about Indonesia to become more Malaysian. No country is better off than the other, we're all different and have our own issues to deal with, and most importantly, we need each other. Terima kasih semua for your thought-provoking and valuable comments.

#27	Airil H	19-Mar-2005, 00:18 MYT
HEH HEH... Welcome To Reality!!! Mari lihat siapa lagi hebat boleh kutuk yang satu lagi... Siapa yang lagi lemah, siapa yang kuat. Siapa yang ada 25 juta penduduk, siapa yang ada hampir 250 juta. Siapa GDPnya lebih tinggi, siapa pula yang korupsinya menggunung. Siapa yang lebih kuat tenteranya, siapa yang kecil bala askarnya. Siapa yang itu, siapa yang ini. Siapa yang begitu, siapa yang begini ] Siapa yang menang nanti? Apa pula hadiah yang bakal kalian terima? ) I am human first. I am Male and I am Muslim, a Citizen of the World who was born and is proudly Malaysian until the end... And I can call myself a Malay, but then I have Chinese blood, and Indian too. Does all this make me more special than anyone else? Siapa yang layak jawab soalan ini? Diplomasi bererti tidak mencari kelainan tapi membina persamaan. Baik Jakarta atau Kuala Lumpur; Bandung mahupun Pulau Pinang - Kita adalah dua negara yang terlalu banyak persamaan, dan kita adalah jiran tetangga. Dan bukankah jiran tetangga mempunyai hak-hak yang seharusnya kita hormati, WALAUPUN MUNGKIN hak-kita kita tidak, atau, mereka lalai untuk penuhi? "Let s/he who is without sin cast the first stone..." Fikir-fikirkan

#24	Norman	17-Mar-2005, 05:08 MYT
Regarding dis issue i can write a lot but nahh u all will b boring Like Dinna im half Indonesian and half Malaysian (but prefer 75 of me Indonesian Btw i like Indonesian History compared to malaysian history hehe. if u called Indo as to Indonesian is ok wit me but not Indian pls. For me that refered by the structure and religion and some culture( ---even now) of previous empire similar to that resemble the similarity of India not the people and also description by foreigners during the past. If for the people i prefered to call Indonesian. About dis issue better i can discuss wit u all in e-mail thats if u interested. dewa_5@hotmail.com or manntura@hotmail.com . Just put subject heading 'comment on "Indon" Issue' Even issues on the "less than" But if people are offended of the word bcos it is refering to the social class status thats another problem eg Social class such as Rich or elites and the poor.If Classifying people from professional and working labour or even poor people and etc. im a type of people who communicate to any type of people regardless of their'the so called Hierachy) theres other words to describe it that but i cant remember. For me, u all are the, same human and indonesian, same country only different type walk of life. Btw the way for me, Indonesian have to b proud of themselves Indonesia have nice foods, better movies compare to Malaysia malay movies, best music compare to very boring Malaysian malay song except for certain people Shiela majid,Zainal Abidin and Siti. Very interesting history, having ealier civilisation,technol ogies and nice monuments even a big empire compare to Pininsular malaysia where most people probably still lioves in caves or on top of the trees , bercanda but probably true. The only empire wasthe great Melaka thats all. Even Dr. Mahathir said" Saya cuma Sukarno kecil" comparing him self to the famous Sukarno, one of the Asian leader that he respect. In terms of conversation during college times, i ask my frens from other country such as Korea, Japan, China, Russia and Swedish on which language thats for them are pleasant to hear in terms of conversation among malaysian and among Indonesian and guess wat??? All vote Indonesian language including me. Malay language for them is a bit 'Kasar' kayak mau berantem gitu lho. Thats y as Indonesian theres many things u can be proud of. Just relax and just ignore dis kind of people who purposely make such remarks. Orang malaysia jgn marah hehehe.

#23	franciska	16-Mar-2005, 15:37 MYT
It did feels like an insult to me when i first got here. Maybe its because the short form doesn't sound pleasing to our (indonesian) ear. No one in Indonesia is familiar with the term 'Indon' unless of course, we read Malaysian's papers. The short form we use there is 'orang Indo'. Somehow that would sounds better to us. Well, now that i'm used to be called Indon here, it doesn't sound so bad. Glad someone bring the issue out, I personally appreciate it. Thanks Fairy!

#16	Fairy	14-Mar-2005, 23:58 MYT
IDLAN: For the very simple reason that I have not spoken to a blue-collared Indonesian worker about the ramifications of using the 'Indon' word. My collective opinion is based on the groups of Indonesians I've spoken to, i.e. students and working professionals. This may be a tad overgeneralizing, but I have this opinion that blue-collared workers are not as aware nor as bothered about the implication of the word 'Indon'. Our Medanese maid at home calls herself 'Indon', for one thing...

#14	Syahrani - Website	14-Mar-2005, 19:59 MYT
OMG! I thought that term was only used for daily conversation among Malaysian. Hmm I never knew it was used by the media as well. Well, INDO is polite? naahh... My principal is "People always think I'm from INDO. But they were all wrong because I'm from INDONESIA, not INDO". So, Indonesia should be the better term. Or probably the best Peace and love....

#13	Fairy	14-Mar-2005, 19:10 MYT
KEMSEY: Thanks for your thoughts; it's true, in some parts of the world Indo relates to the Indians or of mixed race. Very interesting point. Perhaps that open syllable hanging ("Indo") is disturbing and closing it off with a 'n' to make "Indon" seems easier on the tongue, who knows.

#10	Fairy	14-Mar-2005, 12:26 MYT
ENDA: The ones who are offended by the word 'Indon' are white-collared and professionals in Malaysia, not blue-collared as you imply. I agree with Dinna that using "Indo" is much more polite.

#9	enda - Website	14-Mar-2005, 11:44 MYT
hmmm methink is not offensive, in the other hand i am not a indonesian blue collar worker, working in malaysia. in the other, other hand, i think it's just a lazy practice to shortened word like that, specially in published media. so yeah, stop being so lazy

#6	Adh3 - Website	14-Mar-2005, 10:24 MYT
Wah I never realizes that truncation of a word would mean so different And am a bit surprised that 'Indon' is commonly used there. Indonesia, Indon and Indo, wah sudah beda sekali artinya yah

#5	Fairy	14-Mar-2005, 10:00 MYT
Yes thanks all. ELLE: I was contemplating of sending this one to some of the newspapers around here, but I'll have to make some adjustments here and there. It is my to-do list, believe me.

#3	Elle - Website	14-Mar-2005, 08:59 MYT
Oh, by the way,Fairy, you should send this to STAR, or NST , or Berita Harian too.

#2	Elle - Website	14-Mar-2005, 08:57 MYT
It never occurred to me that Indonesians feels that way! I've been using the abbreviation as long as I could remember. Personally, for me, it is not an insult, it's just shorter, and easier to pronounce. But I do agree with Fairy that if it's offensive to others, we must stop using it. I would like to apologize to our fellow Indonesians who were offended by the use of the word. Peace!

#1	adi wahyu	14-Mar-2005, 06:21 MYT
Thanks Fairy, this is superb article. We've been waiting for this though.

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